Inners & Outers!A MUST read. City at Dec 14th 06 07 08 09

[squirtyflower]

Yawn if you read the thread I think we've established that these 'facts' you talk about are dubious at best !

I'm sick to death of reading about this £200 million it's largely irrelevant for three reasons in my mind

I) This is virtually a completely new squad/team - I would argue that to build a new premiership team capable of challenging the top 4 (who have spent that and more over many years) is not as easy as some seem to want to believe - especially when a Ronaldo, Torres, Terry, Rooney et al would cost you £50 million plus

II) There is no benchmark of a team having been rebuilt from pretty much the ground up. Chelsea did it with a team that was already very much challenging.

III) We have paid more than some players 'true' worth in order to get players that teams didn't necessarily want or need to sell and in order to do it quickly - therefore a 'true' team valuation may be nearer 100-125 million

Anyone who can't see that we have much improved squad and team a much improved mentatlity and a generally higher level of performance just is simply incapable of remembering the boredam we had to endure under Pearce and Sven and total lack of consistency.

I think you have to include money in the argument because look at Real Madrid. They have spent even more than we have and they are 2nd in the league and Champions League Knock Out phase. They too have made many changes to their team and even have a new coach.

let's get this right
real madrid are second in the league that is perennially a two horse race, that means they are coming last?
next you'll be comparing us to rangers who are skint being top of the SPL
get a grip

 

[skybluekings]

I think you have to include money in the argument because look at Real Madrid. They have spent even more than we have and they are 2nd in the league and Champions League Knock Out phase. They too have made many changes to their team and even have a new coach.

let's get this right
real madrid are second in the league that is perennially a two horse race, that means they are coming last?
next you'll be comparing us to rangers who are skint being top of the SPL
get a grip

WTF? My post basically said that money does improve the team. Real coming in last? What are you on about?

 

[alera]

See where he is comming from. We are not that far off having a season like Sven had - but with much less time in the job and a fifth of the budget Hughes has had.

COnclusion Sven is 10 times the manager Mark Hughes is.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Results to Dec 14th 2006 2007 2008 2009

2006
Manager Pearce
TOTAL POINTS TO DEC 14TH 2006 = 20 PTS

LOSS - CHELSEA AWAY
DRAW - PORTSMOUTH HOME
WIN - ARSENAL HOME
LOSS - READING AWAY
LOSS - BLACKBURN AWAY
WIN - WEST HAM HOME
DRAW - EVERTON AWAY
DRAW - SHEFFIELD UTD HOME
LOSS - WIGAN AWAY
WIN - MIDDLESBROUGH HOME
LOSS - CHARLTON AWAY
DRAW - NEWCASTLE HOME
WIN - FULHAM HOME
LOSS - LIVERPOOL AWAY
WIN - ASTON VILLA AWAY
DRAW - WATFORD HOME
LOSS - MAN UTD AWAY

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2007
Manager SGE
TOTAL POINTS TO DEC 14TH 2007 = 33 PTS
Edited: 3 league cup games were included in the previous list.

WIN - WEST HAM AWAY
WIN - DERBY COUNTY HOME
WIN - MAN UTD HOME
LOSS - ARSENAL AWAY
LOSS - BLACKBURN ROVERS AWAY
WIN - ASTON VILLA HOME
DRAW - FULHAM AWAY
WIN - NEWCASTLE HOME
WIN - MIDDLESBORO HOME
WIN - BIRMINGHAM HOME
LOSS - CHELSEA AWAY
WIN - SUNDERLAND HOME
DRAW - PORTSMOUTH AWAY
WIN - READING HOME
DRAW - WIGAN AWAY
LOSS - SPURS AWAY
WIN - BOLTON HOME

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2008
Manager Hughes
TOTAL POINTS TO DEC 14TH 2008 = 15 PTS

LOSS - ASTON VILLA AWAY
WIN - WEST HAM AWAY
WIN - SUNDERLAND AWAY
LOSS - CHELSEA HOME
WIN - PORTSMOUTH HOME
LOSS - WIGAN AWAY
LOSS - LIVERPOOL HOME
DRAW - NEWCASTLE AWAY
LOSS - STOKE CITY AWAY
LOSS - BOLTON AWAY
LOSS - SPURS HOME
DRAW - HULL AWAY
WIN - ARSENAL HOME
LOSS - MAN UTD HOME
DRAW - FULHAM AWAY
LOSS - EVERTON HOME

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2009
Manager Hughes
TOTAL POINTS TO DEC 14TH 2009 = 26 PTS

WIN - BLACKBURN AWAY
WIN - WOLVES HOME
WIN - PORTSMOUTH AWAY
WIN - ARSENAL HOME
LOSS - UTD AWAY
WIN - WEST HAM HOME
DRAW - ASTON VILLA AWAY
DRAW - WIGAN AWAY
DRAW - FULHAM HOME
DRAW - BIRMINGHAM AWAY
DRAW - BURNLEY HOME
DRAW - LIVERPOOL AWAY
DRAW - HULL HOME
WIN - CHELSEA HOME
DRAW - BOLTON AWAY

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Make of it what you will but it makes interesting reading.

I have made part of it into next Sunday's News of the World and the little bit left over, I have made into a blancmange.

 

[bitterblue78]

Results to Dec 14th 4006 2007 2008 2009


2006
Manager Pearce
TOTAL POINTS TO DEC 14TH 2006 = 20 PTS

LOSS - CHELSEA AWAY
DRAW - PORTSMOUTH HOME
WIN - ARSENAL HOME
LOSS - READING AWAY
LOSS - BLACKBURN AWAY
WIN - WEST HAM HOME
DRAW - EVERTON AWAY
DRAW - SHEFFIELD UTD HOME
LOSS - WIGAN AWAY
WIN - MIDDLESBROUGH HOME
LOSS - CHARLTON AWAY
DRAW - NEWCASTLE HOME
WIN - FULHAM HOME
LOSS - LIVERPOOL AWAY
WIN - ASTON VILLA AWAY
DRAW - WATFORD HOME
LOSS - MAN UTD AWAY

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2007
Manager SGE
TOTAL POINTS TO DEC 14TH 2007 = 42 PTS

WIN - WEST HAM AWAY
WIN - DERBY COUNTY HOME
WIN - MAN UTD HOME
LOSS - ARSENAL AWAY
WIN - BRISTOL CITY AWAY
LOSS - BLACKBURN ROVERS AWAY
WIN - ASTON VILLA HOME
DRAW - FULHAM AWAY
WIN - NORWICH HOME
WIN - NEWCASTLE HOME
WIN - MIDDLESBORO HOME
WIN - BIRMINGHAM HOME
LOSS - CHELSEA AWAY
WIN - BOLTON AWAY
WIN - SUNDERLAND HOME
DRAW - PORTSMOUTH AWAY
WIN - READING HOME
DRAW - WIGAN AWAY
LOSS - SPURS AWAY
WIN - BOLTON HOME

-------------------------

2008
Manager Hughes
TOTAL POINTS TO DEC 14TH 2008 = 15 PTS

LOSS - ASTON VILLA AWAY
WIN - WEST HAM AWAY
WIN - SUNDERLAND AWAY
LOSS - CHELSEA HOME
WIN - PORTSMOUTH HOME
LOSS - WIGAN AWAY
LOSS - LIVERPOOL HOME
DRAW - NEWCASTLE AWAY
LOSS - STOKE CITY AWAY
LOSS - BOLTON AWAY
LOSS - SPURS HOME
DRAW - HULL AWAY
WIN - ARSENAL HOME
LOSS - MAN UTD HOME
DRAW - FULHAM AWAY
LOSS - EVERTON HOME

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2009
Manager Hughes
TOTAL POINTS TO DEC 14TH 2009 = 26 PTS

WIN - BLACKBURN AWAY
WIN - WOLVES HOME
WIN - PORTSMOUTH AWAY
WIN - ARSENAL HOME
LOSS - UTD AWAY
WIN - WEST HAM HOME
DRAW - ASTON VILLA AWAY
DRAW - WIGAN AWAY
DRAW - FULHAM HOME
DRAW - BIRMINGHAM AWAY
DRAW - BURNLEY HOME
DRAW - LIVERPOOL AWAY
DRAW - HULL HOME
WIN - CHELSEA HOME
DRAW - BOLTON AWAY

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Make of it what you will but it makes interesting reading.

Bring back Sven!

wasnt stoke city in 2008 a 3 . 0 win

 

[Halfpenny]

Shame the 2nd half under Sven was an absolute shambles. This might have some credit then.

 

[squirtyflower]

Shame the 2nd half under Sven was an absolute shambles. This might have some credit then.

perhaps we should have a comparison of just the last ten games of each reign
or maybe a comparison of results when it was sunny
or rainy
or compare the games when the bar served beer to more than four customers in the whole of half time

 

[skybluekings]

wasnt stoke city in 2008 a 3 . 0 win

that was at home

 

[squirtyflower]

that was at home

we didn't play them away till january 09

 

[bitterblue78]

that was at home

which was played in october 2008. the return fixture at stoke was jan 09