Is a Person...

[aguero93:20]

no it's not and if i were in charge i would change it, but i'm not so i can't

but what Evans did, although this isn't the thread, is far from murder

i've interviewed plenty of people for jobs and then later, after a background check, they have been found to have criminal records
should i then just sack them, withdraw the offer of the job?

Same boat myself mate, I'm putting together my own office in work, I wouldn't hire them. Rape isn't any different from murder in my book in terms of how bad the crime is.
As I said, we're not going to agree on this so we should leave it.

it's not really though, is it? nothing compares to murder.

In both cases the victims of the crime have to live with the consequences for the rest of their lives, they're the unforgivable crimes for me.

 

[aguero93:20]

fair enough but i'll leave you with one

he was 27 years old and looking for a promotion to us
his background check revealed 'criminal damage'
when quizzed he had thrown a stone at an old run down factory that had been empty for years, and got done, aged 16
should he get the job with his record?

Absolutely, no problem, it's not rape or murder. As long as he deserves to get the position.

believe it or not i knew an 18 year old girl who lost her job as a teaching assistant when the school found out that she had a caution.
she got the caution when she was 13 for a fight with a lad at school. The lad's mum just wouldn't drop it and was annoyed when the school had done what it was going to do. So she went on and on at the police who then cautioned both of the kids!
It lost her her job.

That girl was hard done by, that's where the system is wrong.

 

[Mr Ed (The Stables)]

...who has served his time and not re-offended, a criminal, or an ex-criminal?

I suppose this brings us round to the rehabilitation debate again, but I guess it comes down to crimes which are a conclusive action, a physical event, that begins and ends, and whether the person who commits that should be viewed continually as a criminal because they once committed that action, and haven't since, or whether they should be viewed as someone who committed a crime, has done their time, and should now be viewed as an ex-criminal, and therefore treated as an everyday person?

it depends what crime they have committed. A murderer for example may serve his/her sentance 15 or 20 years and released.

But they will be on license for the rest of their lives, with the authorities able to sling them back inside if they fall off the straight and narrow.

A lad who breaks a window when he's a 17 year old and gets punished accordingley.

By the time he's 50 I would say he ain't a criminal anymore.

 

[squirtyflower]

Absolutely, no problem, it's not rape or murder. As long as he deserves to get the position.

believe it or not i knew an 18 year old girl who lost her job as a teaching assistant when the school found out that she had a caution.
she got the caution when she was 13 for a fight with a lad at school. The lad's mum just wouldn't drop it and was annoyed when the school had done what it was going to do. So she went on and on at the police who then cautioned both of the kids!
It lost her her job.

maybe if she'd been honest about it in the first place she would still have her job ?

seriously?

a fourteen year kid, you have a very enlightened approach, so i'm off to bed as the light out of your arse is just too bright

 

[Bill Walker]

believe it or not i knew an 18 year old girl who lost her job as a teaching assistant when the school found out that she had a caution.
she got the caution when she was 13 for a fight with a lad at school. The lad's mum just wouldn't drop it and was annoyed when the school had done what it was going to do. So she went on and on at the police who then cautioned both of the kids!
It lost her her job.

maybe if she'd been honest about it in the first place she would still have her job ?

seriously?

a fourteen year kid, you have a very enlightened approach, so i'm off to bed as the light out of your arse is just too bright

hang on...before you start chucking insults out

fourteen ? where does that come from you said she was fighting at 13, then you said she was 18, why do I get the feeling this girl is in your head

If it is true and she had a police caution, she shouldve put it on here application and been honest, whats strange about that ?

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Same boat myself mate, I'm putting together my own office in work, I wouldn't hire them. Rape isn't any different from murder in my book in terms of how bad the crime is.
As I said, we're not going to agree on this so we should leave it.

it's not really though, is it? nothing compares to murder.

In both cases the victims of the crime have to live with the consequences for the rest of their lives, they're the unforgivable crimes for me.

There is no life to suffer with the consequences if you're murdered, "at least" with rape the victim gets to carry on living and has the chance to make something of their life, and be active in the fight against the crime, despite the horrors they've suffered.

 

[aguero93:20]

it's not really though, is it? nothing compares to murder.

In both cases the victims of the crime have to live with the consequences for the rest of their lives, they're the unforgivable crimes for me.

There is no life to suffer with the consequences if you're murdered, "at least" with rape the victim gets to carry on living and has the chance to make something of their life, and be active in the fight against the crime, despite the horrors they've suffered.

Bad phrasing on my part, when someone gets murdered, their family and friends have to deal with it.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

In both cases the victims of the crime have to live with the consequences for the rest of their lives, they're the unforgivable crimes for me.

There is no life to suffer with the consequences if you're murdered, "at least" with rape the victim gets to carry on living and has the chance to make something of their life, and be active in the fight against the crime, despite the horrors they've suffered.

Bad phrasing on my part, when someone gets murdered, their family and friends have to deal with it.

as they do if someone is disabled or debilitated in a bar assault, being pushed down a flight of stairs, in a car crash due to dangerous driving, due to negligence in a work place or hospital etc.

 

[Bill]

fair enough but i'll leave you with one

he was 27 years old and looking for a promotion to us
his background check revealed 'criminal damage'
when quizzed he had thrown a stone at an old run down factory that had been empty for years, and got done, aged 16
should he get the job with his record?

Absolutely, no problem, it's not rape or murder. As long as he deserves to get the position.

believe it or not i knew an 18 year old girl who lost her job as a teaching assistant when the school found out that she had a caution.
she got the caution when she was 13 for a fight with a lad at school. The lad's mum just wouldn't drop it and was annoyed when the school had done what it was going to do. So she went on and on at the police who then cautioned both of the kids!
It lost her her job.

the worlds gone mad.

 

[BlueBearBoots]

If I was interviewing for a job it would totally depend on the crime. If they had been honest and told me at application stage that they had a conviction for lets say being drunk and disorderly when they were a teenager then no wouldn't bother me and they would get the job if they were good enough. However if someone had committed murder then no the application would be straight in the bin. I would have to carefully consider theft or any crimes for dishonesty too but if they nicked a bar of chocolate from tesco 5 years ago again this wouldn't bother me but if they had a string of convictions for housebreaking then no I wouldn't want them working for me.


To sum up it very much depends on the nature of the crime but for the more serious crimes such as murder, no wouldn't consider them