Is Capitalism Unsustainable?

[Prestwich_Blue]

People do not want change, they were offered change at the last election and the majority of people chose a Tory government which lets not forget was running the worst Tory campaign ever seen.

Given the supposed unpopularity of Corbyn and the state of the Labour party at the time, plus the predictions and expectations of a comfortable Tory majority I'd say the outcome was a loud shout for change. Particularly as the Labour party got more votes than the Tories.

 

[remember arthur mann]

HAHAHAHHAHAHHA.

I know, it makes your head explode! But it's an inexorable conclusion I think. *Eventually* there will be no need for humans at all. We're bounded by our own biology whereas computers and machines are not. We will ultimately be as insignificant in the functioning and running of the planet as ants are today.

The hope is that the machines we've created will value human life more than other animal life. If they decide that's illogical, then we're in for a rough ride, Terminator style!

Sign me up for the Luddites !!!

 

[CityStu]

Given the supposed unpopularity of Corbyn and the state of the Labour party at the time, plus the predictions and expectations of a comfortable Tory majority I'd say the outcome was a loud shout for change. Particularly as the Labour party got more votes than the Tories.

No they didn't.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Our friend (the ****) will invent a better machine and put his competitor out of business.

I remember in the early 70's the predictions were all about a future where we wouldn't have enough work to do and we would be a leisure based society. They were all wrong. People are working longer and harder than ever before and they are choosing to do it. Work fulfills a basic human need. Ideally we would work at something we love, but even doing a shit job to pay for a family holiday or new car is reason enough to get out of bed in the morning.

Relax. Socrates said that wisdom is learning what not to worry about.

I'm worried about the derby on Sunday. Capitalism and democracy will ensure a safe prosperous future.

For a while.

For how many centuries do you think your confidence is valid? One? Two? A Thousand? It is simply inconceivable that in 100,000 years, man will be the most intelligent, most cunning being on the planet.

if we accept that - as I believe we must - then the question is when, not whether.

 

[SWP's back]

utcome was a loud shout for change. Particularly as the Labour party got more votes than the Tories.

Are you just making things up now?

 

[Chippy_boy]

No they didn't.

Indeed. PB's aspirations clouding his judgement there a bit I think ;-)

 

[SWP's back]

Indeed. PB's aspirations clouding his judgement there a bit I think ;-)

Yep. The Tories actually increased their vote share by 5 1/2 percent. It's just Labour took more votes of the Libs and UKIP.

Tories still win the popular vote.

 

[GortonBlue62]

For a while.

For how many centuries do you think your confidence is valid? One? Two? A Thousand? It is simply inconceivable that in 100,000 years, man will be the most intelligent, most cunning being on the planet.

if we accept that - as I believe we must - then the question is when, not whether.

You've not been watching those Planet of the Apes' movies have you?

I think it is inconceivable that we won't be the most intelligent species on the planet as long as this planet exists.

Man will cease to exist when star we are orbiting burns out. Roughly 4.5 billion years from now.

I see no prospect of a Labour government or socialism reasserting itself in that timescale.

 

[DelToro]

You've not been watching those Planet of the Apes' movies have you?

I think it is inconceivable that we won't be the most intelligent species on the planet as long as this planet exists.

Man will cease to exist when star we are orbiting burns out. Roughly 4.5 billion years from now.

I see no prospect of a Labour government or socialism reasserting itself in that timescale.

I am not sure that provoking irreversible climate change, driving species to extinction, ruthlessly exploiting natural resources and threatening nuclear Armageddon via Twitter is a sign of intelligence.

How long this planet exists is a different question from how long it exists as we currently recognise it.

The best tonic for this planet would be the extinction of mankind.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I think it is inconceivable that we won't be the most intelligent species on the planet as long as this planet exists.

What on earth leads you to that bizarre (and in my view so clearly wrong) assumption?

It is an inescapable fact that humans are bounded by our own biology. In anything like the short, medium (or even perhaps the very long) term we cannot double the number of neurons in our brain. We cannot run 100m in 3 seconds. Or 1 second. We are stuck with what we are dealt with.

Computers and robots are not. They will surely surpass us, just as surely as the motor car eventually could go faster than a horse. Thinking is not something "magical", merely something that we do not yet fully understand. Machines will inevitably be able think better than we can, once their computing power is great enough. Already, deep learning algorithms make decisions we do not understand: they are beginning to think for themselves. The next 50 years will see literally astonishing developments. Trust me.