Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the club

[moomba]

We embarrassed ourselves in Amsterdam in a game which was absolutely crucial to our hopes.

Do you hold the players accountable in anyway for our performances in Amsterdam? Or is it all down to Mancini?

 

[Anonymous]

We embarrassed ourselves in Amsterdam in a game which was absolutely crucial to our hopes.

Do you hold the players accountable in anyway for our performances in Amsterdam? Or is it all down to Mancini?

Absolutely all down to Mancini. We came out in the second half much improved on the way we started the first, and Ajax scored their goal from a set piece against the run of play. Mancini immediately subbed Lescott for Kolarov in his fury, completely disjointed the back four in the process, and Ajax scored a third within 5 minutes thus killing the game.

 

[moomba]

Absolutely all down to Mancini. We came out in the second half much improved on the way we started the first, and Ajax scored their goal from a set piece against the run of play. Mancini immediately subbed Lescott for Kolarov in his fury, completely disjointed the back four in the process, and Ajax scored a third within 5 minutes thus killing the game.

It's no surprise to me that you're not happy with him then. The way it seems anything good is down to reasons other than the manager, anything bad is entirely down to the manager.

 

[Anonymous]

Absolutely all down to Mancini. We came out in the second half much improved on the way we started the first, and Ajax scored their goal from a set piece against the run of play. Mancini immediately subbed Lescott for Kolarov in his fury, completely disjointed the back four in the process, and Ajax scored a third within 5 minutes thus killing the game.

It's no surprise to me that you're not happy with him then. The way I see it anything good is down to reasons other than the manager, anything bad is entirely down to the manager.

Sure, if your reasoning is so facile that you ignore the clear argument I've made above for why he's responsible for the result in Ajax.

 

[moomba]

Sure, if your reasoning is so facile that you ignore the clear argument I've made above for why he's responsible for the result in Ajax.

I understand your argument. I just think it's self-serving, and not a particularly sound way of assessing things.

 

[Anonymous]

Sure, if your reasoning is so facile that you ignore the clear argument I've made above for why he's responsible for the result in Ajax.

I understand your argument. I just think it's a self serving one.

It may well be self serving, it's also perfectly correct in that particular instance.

 

[moomba]

It may well be self serving, it's also perfectly correct in that particular instance.

For you maybe. I think it's a pretty flawed argument to totally ignore the role others played in that particular result.

But I guess neither of us will convince each other one way or the other.

 

[andyhinch]

Your last line is a bit of a disgrace, you lot 'sacking Mancini' have been shown up for two years now.

You know me well enough to know it matters not one jot how many times I get called a disgrace or have my City credentials questioned on the forum.

Equally if you want to point to Europe and fail to acknowledge the anomalies of the groups we've been unfortunate to be drawn into, as a counter balance to our below par/poor performances... then you might want to re-address your opinions. Because it's quite apparent that those thinking along those lines have let their agenda get in the way of their common sense.

The arguments about our tough groups have been done to death. But if you want to go down that road we can do. We were beaten by inferior teams in Ajax and Napoli which ultimately cost us in the CL. We were beaten by inferior teams in Kiev and Lisbon which ultimately cost us in the Europa League. The hardening of my stance on Mancini has come from seeing him be tactically outwitted by the likes of Frank De Boer. We embarrassed ourselves in Amsterdam in a game which was absolutely crucial to our hopes.

With respect, don't lecture me about agendas. I've got none, except wanting what's best for City. I don't think Mancini is the best manager for the job. He's as destructive as he is constructive both as a coach with his players, and as a manager dealing with everyone else at the club.

If we got Moooo in and made no progress in next years CL would you want him gone?

 

[bluemc1]

We embarrassed ourselves in Amsterdam in a game which was absolutely crucial to our hopes.

Do you hold the players accountable in anyway for our performances in Amsterdam? Or is it all down to Mancini?

both but more Mancini, Europe is to much for him, im not a negative blue who wants us to fail but its just from what i see imo he does things they beggar belief, last season i think it was thought the best 2 full backs at the time were Richards and Clichy but in europe he played Zaba and Kolorov ? then fxxks about with best defence in prem for last 2 years bringing in Maicon and nasty v Madrid this year, plays Dzeko over Tevez v Mertasacker this year, and plays TWO holding midfield players at home v reading i could go on.... but sorry ive seen to many of these to change my mind just cos peple say " look we just beat Norwich, in your face"

 

[GStar]

With respect, don't lecture me about agendas. I've got none, except wanting what's best for City. I don't think Mancini is the best manager for the job. He's as destructive as he is constructive both as a coach with his players, and as a manager dealing with everyone else at the club.

There's no lecturing, but openly hoping our manager gets sacked, and basing that mostly on an under performance in the CL, for me, is a pretty weak foundation.

I'd probably agree that, performance wise, conduct wise and attitude wise, i've been left frustrated and on occasions let down by Mancini, but i can't really put together a logical argument that says he should be sacked.

What i think we as a club have done, is put Mancini in a position where he must progress from the group stages no matter what, come next season's CL. It would have been interesting to see how we would have faired these past two years had the draw been a little more kind.

That doesn't excuse some of our European performances, but nor does it form a sound logic for his dismissal... Mancini obviously isn't as destructive as he constructive, the football club is hardly going backwards.

The thing is people like yourself have openly wanted Mancini replaced for two years, but again, the argument isn't there for it. You might not agree with him at all times (i know i don't) but he's taken the club forward... how people can continue to argue against our manager whilst we keep going forward is beyond me.

As a final point, i not sure there's many suitable candidates to take over at our club, i think any replacement would come with a great deal of risk.

 

[moomba]

both but more Mancini, Europe is to much for him, im not a negative blue who wants us to fail but its just from what i see imo he does things they beggar belief, last season i think it was thought the best 2 full backs at the time were Richards and Clichy but in europe he played Zaba and Kolorov ? then fxxks about with best defence in prem for last 2 years bringing in Maicon and nasty v Madrid this year, plays Dzeko over Tevez v Mertasacker this year, and plays TWO holding midfield players at home v reading i could go on.... but sorry ive seen to many of these to change my mind just cos peple say " look we just beat Norwich, in your face"

I think so long as people consider positive as well as negatives and come to a decision then that's fair enough. I might not agree, but it's a pretty sound way of making a judgement.

Too many (not just one side) are so entrenched in their views that they will only consider the things that back up their existing opinions. But a performance or match has so many factors in it it seems stupid to me to disregard the lot and place the blame (or credit) entirely on one person.

So for me the disappointments have to be considered alongside the positives. At the moment there isn't enough for me to think that a change has to be made. That may change in time. For some there is enough to think a change has been made, and as long as there is sound reasoning behind that I don't see the problem. All about opinions I guess.

 

[Anonymous]

There's no lecturing, but openly hoping our manager gets sacked, and basing that mostly on an under performance in the CL, for me, is a pretty weak foundation.

Not for me, when it's actually 3 years of underperformance in the European competition, coupled with a history of never being quite good enough in Europe while at Inter. Seems a pretty compelling argument if your long term goal is success both in Europe and the league.

Another thing which is rarely acknowledged is that the top heavy squad we built under the Cook/Marwood/Mancini/Hughes time was based around the idea of having two top class players for each position, thus being able to juggle European and domestic competition. Certainly when you look at the core of 18 or so senior first team players we have, it is correct to suggest that they were signed to be able to compete in multiple competitions.

I'd probably agree that, performance wise, conduct wise and attitude wise, i've been left frustrated and on occasions let down by Mancini, but i can't really put together a local argument that says he should be sacked.

What i think we as a club have done, is put Mancini in a position where he must progress from the group stages no matter what, come next season's CL. It would have been interesting to see how we would have faired these past two years had the draw been a little more kind.

I've read similar arguments a few times in recent weeks and months ie. if Mancini fails to get us out of the group next season then he should go (or words to that effect - before you tell me off for putting words in your mouth). Not sure how me saying he should go at the end of this season differs so greatly from that point of view. That'd be four years of underachievement in Europe. I think three is enough. No vast difference in my opinion in those two attitudes.

That doesn't excuse some of our European performances, but nor does it form a sound logic for his dismissal... Mancini obviously isn't as destructive as he constructive, the football club is hardly going backwards.

The thing is people like yourself have openly wanted Mancini replaced for two years, but again, the argument isn't there for it. You might not agree with him at all times (i know i don't) but he's taken the club forward... how people can continue to argue against our manager whilst we keep going forward is beyond me.

As a final point, i not sure there's many suitable candidates to take over at our club, i think any replacement would come with a great deal of risk.

I've not wanted Mancini replaced for two years. That's ultimately another lazy argument rooted in the fact that i've been openly critical of him for two years. There's a subtle difference there I'm sure you can identify.

You don't see a reason to sack Mancini. No problem, I respect that because you're not the only one, and if anything people who think like me are in the minority. However it doesn't make my argument disingenuous, rooted in some sinister agenda against Mancini, or less valid than yours. After all, if it was such an outlandish notion, he wouldn't have been eyeing up new jobs last season.

 

[pudge]

Mancini has proven he can succeed and win here as much as the players have.

If people want Mancini gone, do they want the squad gone too?

 

[baildon blue]

Mancini does say some silly after match comments like last season against Everton i didnt prepare the team properly whats that all about.Then in his 1st full season in charge he says where a tired team.He needs to realise his excuses are wearing thin he as big squad get on with it.

 

[Matt the Giant]

Mancini has proven he can succeed and win here as much as the players have.

If people want Mancini gone, do they want the squad gone too?

A three-guide de Michelin-star chef with supreme ingredients should be expected to produce top-notch meals on a consistent basis.

A one-star chef might fails from time to time with the very same ingredients.

So although good is good, I still feel we could be better with the squad we have, and that must be down to the manager.
I don't want Bobby sacked now... but if when the summer comes we see a trophy-less year behind us (I don't really count the CS) then I would likely change my mind, especially if a three-star manager is available.

 

[pudge]

Mancini has proven he can succeed and win here as much as the players have.

If people want Mancini gone, do they want the squad gone too?

A three-guide de Michelin-star chef with supreme ingredients should be expected to produce top-notch meals on a consistent basis.

A one-star chef might fails from time to time with the very same ingredients.

So although good is good, I still feel we could be better with the squad we have, and that must be down to the manager.
I don't want Bobby sacked now... but if when the summer comes we see a trophy-less year behind us (I don't really count the CS) then I would likely change my mind, especially if a three-star manager is available.

Just because you have good players doesn't guarantee success.

Mancini however has had success with this squad.

 

[moomba]

Mancini has proven he can succeed and win here as much as the players have.

If people want Mancini gone, do they want the squad gone too?

A three-guide de Michelin-star chef with supreme ingredients should be expected to produce top-notch meals on a consistent basis.

A one-star chef might fails from time to time with the very same ingredients.

So although good is good, I still feel we could be better with the squad we have, and that must be down to the manager.
I don't want Bobby sacked now... but if when the summer comes we see a trophy-less year behind us (I don't really count the CS) then I would likely change my mind, especially if a three-star manager is available.

I'd say even "three star managers" fail from time to time.

 

[Matt the Giant]

I'd say even "three star managers" fail from time to time.

Just because you have good players doesn't guarantee success.

Mancini however has had success with this squad.

You are both right of course, Mancini has brought us success and top managers also fail from time to time. But that doesn't stop me from feeling we could do even better. Maybe I'm just being greedy. ;)

 

[The Future's Blue]

This is not the time to consider the managers position unless you are looking for instant success or never really wanted him in the first place.

 

[thedogsbollocks]

I think people are just going in roundabouts on this thread.There is no in-between,those that want him sacked,are just as bad as those who want him being given a new 8 year contract on the back of a win at Norwich(being sarcastic).

personally as things stand i think Roberto has a mountain to climb to be our manager next season.Capitulation in Europe 2 seasons running is probably off more concern to our owners than retaining our title,and winning the FA Cup is to us fans.So on that basis alone maybe the seeds have already been sown if a better pedigree off manager is available at the end of this season.

All he can do now is try and show his employer that he has what it takes to still be in this prestigious job as City Manager next season.I think it will be difficult for him, but not impossible we proved that last season.

we should just all get behind our team and the manager and see what happens.