IS Says Jordanian Pilot Burned Alive

[whp.blue]

I'd just like to point out how dangerous the idea is that "the Muslim community" is somehow to blame here or that "they need to be doing something".

There are several billion Muslims. This would be akin to a black person asking why "the white community" isnt doing something about North Korea.

The narrative on this issue is turning very 1930s and it is twenty times more frightening to me than terrorism .

Was the last paragraph meant to imply 1930's Nazi Germany? because if it was that is a very very poor comparison


So on an individual level If a Muslim living in England becomes aware that a brother or a cousin intends to join the Jihad don't you think they have a duty to inform the Authorities?

There are at least 500 families (of people known to be fighting for ISIS) who this applies directly to, that could run into thousands of people yet they all claim to know nothing about it and that is not even counting the 1000's of people who may have had contact with Hate preachers etc. Who never come forward.

If you think this is true or acceptable you are at best naive.
Despite all the fine words Muslims appear not to be informing the authorities about terrorists and I for one think they could do more.
And before anyone gets on their high horse and starts calling me a racist or anti-Muslim I used the same argument towards Irish Roman Catholics who kept quite when they could have identified the IRA murderers in the 70's and the 80's,

 

[whp.blue]

Many people, including in this thread, have asked what the Muslim community is doing about it.

Isn't that a reasonably appropriate response? Certainly in this country, I would have thought the best path to stopping radicalization comes from within the Muslim community.

So its the pilot's fault he didn't do enough to stop the radicalization of the people that torched him? He can't catch a break.

That is ridiculous nobody has said or even implied that a person living thousands of miles away should effect ISIS or so called British Jidadists just because he shares the same religion but I am sure you knew that.
what people are saying is there is a real silence from within portions of the Muslim community here in Britain regarding terrorists and this is proven by the amount of British based Muslims either joining Jihad or supporting jihad in other ways such as financially or even just by remaining quite.

 

[whp.blue]

Many people, including in this thread, have asked what the Muslim community is doing about it.

Isn't that a reasonably appropriate response? Certainly in this country, I would have thought the best path to stopping radicalization comes from within the Muslim community.

No because as PB wrote above, there is no such thing as "the Muslim community ".

There's nearly 2 billion Muslims. Grouping them together is as ridiculous as saying Hitler was part of the white community or Bin Laden was part of the male community. You don't have to take responsibility for their acts nor apologise for their actions and suggesting Muslims are associated with IS due to sharing a several billion strong social group with them is equally stupid

But you do however have a responsibility if the terrorist lives in your house or shares Mosque or workplace etc and you are aware of their plans and it is at that very local level there is a Muslim Community.
People on here are hiding behind semantics nobody has implied that every Muslim on the planet is complicit they are however implying that people at a local level within closed Muslim communities her in Britain could and should do more and be judged on their actions and not well written speeches.

 

[Daz_Blue]

Message people ..........I am sure they can.........move away from the danger zone.............NUKE THE BASTARDS

 

[whp.blue]

Many people, including in this thread, have asked what the Muslim community is doing about it.

Isn't that a reasonably appropriate response? Certainly in this country, I would have thought the best path to stopping radicalization comes from within the Muslim community.

No because as PB wrote above, there is no such thing as "the Muslim community ".

There's nearly 2 billion Muslims. Grouping them together is as ridiculous as saying Hitler was part of the white community or Bin Laden was part of the male community. You don't have to take responsibility for their acts nor apologise for their actions and suggesting Muslims are associated with IS due to sharing a several billion strong social group with them is equally stupid

That quite frankly is bollocks there is no global Community but at a national and regional level of course there is a Muslim Community

muddying the waters with semantics

 

[halfcenturyup]

OMG. You are quite clearly anti-semantic.

Isn't that a reasonably appropriate response? Certainly in this country, I would have thought the best path to stopping radicalization comes from within the Muslim community.

No because as PB wrote above, there is no such thing as "the Muslim community ".

There's nearly 2 billion Muslims. Grouping them together is as ridiculous as saying Hitler was part of the white community or Bin Laden was part of the male community. You don't have to take responsibility for their acts nor apologise for their actions and suggesting Muslims are associated with IS due to sharing a several billion strong social group with them is equally stupid

That quite frankly is bollocks there is no global Community but at a national and regional level of course there is a Muslim Community

muddying the waters with semantics

 

[scotty123]

Does anybody know what this insulting Arabic word for I.S. is, it sounds like DIEESSH, I have heard it a few times o news reports just lately, there was an Egyptian military annalist using it on Sky Yesterday and an ex British army officer has just been using it again on Sky now
What does it mean?

 

[mindmyp's_n_q's]

Does anybody know what this insulting Arabic word for I.S. is, it sounds like DIEESSH, I have heard it a few times o news reports just lately, there was an Egyptian military annalist using it on Sky Yesterday and an ex British army officer has just been using it again on Sky now
What does it mean?

On the Origin of the ‘Name’ DAESH – The Islamic State in Iraq and as-Shām Feb

It seems more and more Western media are using the derogatory DAESH when they’re talking about the Islamic State in Iraq and as-Shām (commonly known as ISIS).

As nobody seems to have the faintest idea what DAESH stands for, here’s an attempt to explain.

The capitals in the word DAESH point out it is an acronym of some sort. And indeed if we single out the beginning letters of the Arabic name for ISIS : الدولة الاسلامية في العراق والشام

we get the Arabic: داعش

د = Dawlat (Nation)
ا = (al-) Islāmiyya
ع= (fī’l-) ‘Irāq
ش = (wa’s-) Shām (Greater Syria or the Levant)

So, roughly transcribed to the Latin alphabet that leaves us with DAESH. (The E stands for the ‘ayn in ‘Iraq)

At first the name DAESH was merely an acronym indeed. Activists and more moderate rebel coalitions used it as referral to Dawlat al-Islāmiyya fī al-Irāq wa s-Shām. But it didn’t take long before all kinds of interpretations arose.

In se the Arabic word داعش doesn’t even exist. But if we look at the tone of voice within circles (opposing ISIS) ever since they introduced the acronym, we might conclude the acronym has a double meaning.

Most likely ISIS opponents are referring to the Arabic verb دعس, meaning : to thread underfoot, trample down, crush (see The Hans Wehr Dictionary of Modern Written Arabic, p. 325 and 326)

Another theory is that the name refers to the Jāhiliyya (pre-Islamic) strife between two Arab tribes on the Arabian peninsula : داحس والغبراء

Dāhis wa’l-Ghabrā’ can be literary translated as ‘felon and dust’ (see <a class="postlink" href="http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/</a>داحس_والغبراء ). This referral seems to have a more theological background yet it seems unlikely all sources using this would have in depth knowledge of the Jāhiliyya.

Which ever theory suits best, it is quite clear that the acronym DAESH (داعش) is mostly, if not only, used by opponents of ISIS in Syria.

<a class="postlink" href="https://pietervanostaeyen.wordpress.com/2014/02/18/on-the-origin-of-the-name-daesh-the-islamic-state-in-iraq-and-as-sham/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://pietervanostaeyen.wordpress.com ... d-as-sham/</a>

 

[scotty123]

Does anybody know what this insulting Arabic word for I.S. is, it sounds like DIEESSH, I have heard it a few times o news reports just lately, there was an Egyptian military annalist using it on Sky Yesterday and an ex British army officer has just been using it again on Sky now
What does it mean?

On the Origin of the ‘Name’ DAESH – The Islamic State in Iraq and as-Shām Feb

It seems more and more Western media are using the derogatory DAESH when they’re talking about the Islamic State in Iraq and as-Shām (commonly known as ISIS).

As nobody seems to have the faintest idea what DAESH stands for, here’s an attempt to explain.

The capitals in the word DAESH point out it is an acronym of some sort. And indeed if we single out the beginning letters of the Arabic name for ISIS : الدولة الاسلامية في العراق والشام

we get the Arabic: داعش

د = Dawlat (Nation)
ا = (al-) Islāmiyya
ع= (fī’l-) ‘Irāq
ش = (wa’s-) Shām (Greater Syria or the Levant)

So, roughly transcribed to the Latin alphabet that leaves us with DAESH. (The E stands for the ‘ayn in ‘Iraq)

At first the name DAESH was merely an acronym indeed. Activists and more moderate rebel coalitions used it as referral to Dawlat al-Islāmiyya fī al-Irāq wa s-Shām. But it didn’t take long before all kinds of interpretations arose.

In se the Arabic word داعش doesn’t even exist. But if we look at the tone of voice within circles (opposing ISIS) ever since they introduced the acronym, we might conclude the acronym has a double meaning.

Most likely ISIS opponents are referring to the Arabic verb دعس, meaning : to thread underfoot, trample down, crush (see The Hans Wehr Dictionary of Modern Written Arabic, p. 325 and 326)

Another theory is that the name refers to the Jāhiliyya (pre-Islamic) strife between two Arab tribes on the Arabian peninsula : داحس والغبراء

Dāhis wa’l-Ghabrā’ can be literary translated as ‘felon and dust’ (see <a class="postlink" href="http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/</a>داحس_والغبراء ). This referral seems to have a more theological background yet it seems unlikely all sources using this would have in depth knowledge of the Jāhiliyya.

Which ever theory suits best, it is quite clear that the acronym DAESH (داعش) is mostly, if not only, used by opponents of ISIS in Syria.

<a class="postlink" href="https://pietervanostaeyen.wordpress.com/2014/02/18/on-the-origin-of-the-name-daesh-the-islamic-state-in-iraq-and-as-sham/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://pietervanostaeyen.wordpress.com ... d-as-sham/</a>

I think I just about understood that :)
Is it an insult then? the officer just on said he prefers to use the word as it is an insult

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Isn't that a reasonably appropriate response? Certainly in this country, I would have thought the best path to stopping radicalization comes from within the Muslim community.

No because as PB wrote above, there is no such thing as "the Muslim community ".

There's nearly 2 billion Muslims. Grouping them together is as ridiculous as saying Hitler was part of the white community or Bin Laden was part of the male community. You don't have to take responsibility for their acts nor apologise for their actions and suggesting Muslims are associated with IS due to sharing a several billion strong social group with them is equally stupid

That quite frankly is bollocks there is no global Community but at a national and regional level of course there is a Muslim Community

muddying the waters with semantics

You do seem to have this warped view of the Muslim religion, which seems to be fed by the Daily Mail & Express. A mosque, like a synagogue but unlike a mainstream church, is a self-governing entity, which may or may not belong to a local, regional or national body. There are certainly Muslim community organisations, of which the Muslim Council of Britain is the best known. They have regularly condemned atrocities like the 7/7 bombings, killing of Lee Rigby and the latest one. I don't doubt that many individual Muslims feel the same way whereas a minority might have a more sympathetic view. But the MCB (or any other such body) have no legal authority and can't force people to think in a certain way, any more than any other representative group can force its members to.