IS Says Jordanian Pilot Burned Alive

nobody can eat fifty eggs said:
Balti said:
zionists murdering commuters
zionists murdering air travellers
zionists murdering office workers
zionists grooming kids in cities throughout the UK
zionists beheading people in the street
zionists murdering cartoonists
zionists murdering shop owners and shoppers
zionists murdering cafe managers
etc etc

fucking zionist bastards
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You forgot innocent Palestinians ;-)
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true and they're all completely innocent
obviously
 
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roaminblue said:
whp.blue said:
However you miss the point that The Koran not only sanctions but advocates some of the actions of these Extremists

Perhaps people like to get caught up in semantics the bottom line is you find it hard to get away from the fact 1.6 Billion people on this planet follow a religion that actually advocates the actual persecution of non believers and if that wasn't enough this so called religion also denies 50% of the worlds population equal rights.

I find it hard to believe any sane person can defend the teachings of the Koran whether or not you get into the arguments about what should be classed as a moderate or extremist.

Defend the teachings of the Koran to your Daughter or your Mother.
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But would you argue that any of the Abrahamic religions don't have pretty abhorrent text within it?

If not, then surely we must look further beyond simply the religious text?

There is a great deal of commonality between Islam and Christianity. They are both religious texts written an incredibly long-time ago, in a different world entirely. They both contain incredibly restrictive and prescriptive doctrine, they have both been tools to, historically, control and subjugate.

So surely there is something else at play, rather than it being just religious indoctrination?

I mean, quite frankly, its a book. Firstly, a book written by people, it doesn't have magical powers, its "strength" lies in its interpretation. Like with any religious material, there will be passages some people follow word-for-word, there will be some passages that people gloss over and ignore.

In the bible isn't there some guff about it being a sin to eat shellfish?

Anyway, taking the above into account, then there must be other factors to consider, surely?

In the case of religious extremism, barbarism, murder, etc. It will almost certainly fall under socio-demographic factors. What are themes that a number of middle eastern countries have in common? Poverty, lack of education, lack of resources, (etc.)

Barbarism isn't restricted to religion, but it is strongly correlated with the above. Take Mexico City. In recent years it has recorded higher murder counts than Afghanistan. Take MS13, want to have a bet on who has beheaded more people, them or ISIS? I don't know the true figures, it may well be ISIS. But I tell you what, I wouldn't bet my house upon the outcome without doing in depth research.

The simple, unavoidable, truth is that religious subordination weakens as a countries GDP grows, as its citizens come out of poverty, as its citizens gain education. We can look at some of the more developed Muslim countries. Dubai, UAE, etc. While they aren't exactly places I would like to make my home, they are more tolerant of different cultures than a number of muslim countries; it could even be argued they've come an incredibly long way, at an incredibly fast pace considering when they started their path of development.

As for UK born extremists. This is a different topic, but again, its probably no surprise that a lot of these people are those who found their extreme sense of relegion at a later stage in life. The murderers of Lee Rigby, Choudary himself, even the recent article on the BBC discussing female Jihadis - all "born again" to a certain extent.

This to me looks more like individuals who are disenfranchised, detached, lacking a sense of community. Although the current events are extreme examples, its probably not a hugely different mindset than those from the UK who supported the IRA, spied for Russia, etc.

I mean, although massively different even those who become football hooligans I think are testament to a certain section of society who lack identity and try to fill that void.

Anyway, just my opinion and the actions are of course abhorrent. I just don't think the solution is placing the emphasis on a book that, in its own right, can actually just be put down as an example of fiction.
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I think you are being a bit misleading there the Koran is more than a book, Christians are not expected to memorize the bible in the same way Muslims are expected to with the Koran. and the Koran is what Muslim life and law is based on and not in the sense that western law is loosely based upon the Bible.

the second bit I take issue with is the almost apologist argument you seem to be using
I think you conveniently forget or ignore is that a large mass of the populous can sign up to Ideals that when they are looked at with hindsight are viewed as abhorrent.

A large percentage of the Muslim population would appear to be more that happy with the religion they follow and have no desire to change the teachings of their religion even though it is probably the most divisive religion on the planet leading to the deaths of 100's of thousands if not millions of people.
in fact the majority of these so called moderates are fighting for even stronger links to there religion by advocating more and more Muslim only schools.
also the Highly praised "moderate " Muslim Council of Britain has been found Complicit in this.

it actually reminds me a bit of thirties Germany where all the so called moderates not only allowed the Nazi Party to take power a vast majority actual backed them only later to deny all knowledge of any atrocities committed in their name, forgetting the fact they stood by and did nothing when the first anti-Semitic laws were brought in. initially it may have been a small step by marking the Jewish people out by forcing them to wear a star of David but when so called moderates stood by and did nothing look what it lead to.

You can use left wing political correct arguments in the defence of Muslims however there is a major flaw in those arguments and that is:

All these so called disenfranchised extremists in the UK are born into moderate Muslim families and none of the arguments regarding poverty and persecution apply and no body seems willing deal with the Elephant in the room and to stand up and say actually all Muslims share some of the responsibility for the extremists as does the religion they follow.
 
Threatening to set fire to cage full of kids now

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Something doesn't quite ring true about that picture. I don't know what they'd achieve with this. Some kind of set up to tarnish them maybe? I know they burned a pilot alive, but they could justify that by saying he'd killed some of their fighters, or if released he'd pose a creditable threat to their safety?

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They would have ducking nukes falling on all of them left right and centre if they set fire to that cage. They'd be wiped out in a week.
 
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