Islamic State kills Another US hostage

[TangerineSteve17]

So what do you think Drone
Keep it concise and in less than a thousand words if possible
I have heard you speak many many times but not in any great depth ?
Rip it out pal were all ears.

I have the right to post as many or as little words as I want in each thread. I don't generally come on here to get fully entrenched in big discussions although I may jump in now and again. All I will say is that the whole IS situation baffles me, and I believe our troops may be involved in this soon enough.

Of course you have the right pal nothing sinister in my comments so please do chill
And I feel sure no one on here will deny you that right to post your one liners quips on these very serious threads.
What can I say for now now except to leave you completely baffled
Forgive me for intruding ;

Rest in piece Steven Sotloff and all who have suffered at the hand of these monsters and backward inbred scum
I do not care for religion but tonight I pray to Crom that these reports coming through are not true !

Nuke em all !

I am as disgusted as the next man upon what these barbarians do. But I'm not sure nuking them all is the way forward.

To be honest I wish someone would forge a sacred scripture and hide it somewhere difficult to find, but not too difficult, and it would read in Arabic, or whichever language is considered that of Allah. It would say perfectly clear that there should be no killing of infidels, and everyone should do unto others as they would have them so unto them. Then these nutters can preach love instead of hate.

I never post in these threads, so forgive the off topic-ness and/or irrelevance.

 

[dronefromsector7g]

I have the right to post as many or as little words as I want in each thread. I don't generally come on here to get fully entrenched in big discussions although I may jump in now and again. All I will say is that the whole IS situation baffles me, and I believe our troops may be involved in this soon enough.

Of course you have the right pal nothing sinister in my comments so please do chill
And I feel sure no one on here will deny you that right to post your one liners quips on these very serious threads.
What can I say for now now except to leave you completely baffled
Forgive me for intruding ;

Rest in piece Steven Sotloff and all who have suffered at the hand of these monsters and backward inbred scum
I do not care for religion but tonight I pray to Crom that these reports coming through are not true !

Nuke em all !

I am as disgusted as the next man upon what these barbarians do. But I'm not sure nuking them all is the way forward.

To be honest I wish someone would forge a sacred scripture and hide it somewhere difficult to find, but not too difficult, and it would read in Arabic, or whichever language is considered that of Allah. It would say perfectly clear that there should be no killing of infidels, and everyone should do unto others as they would have them so unto them. Then these nutters can preach love instead of hate.

I never post in these threads, so forgive the off topic-ness and/or irrelevance.

No maybe we should nuke em, bomb them back to the Stone Age, crush them like bugs. Then we can do the same to the next breed of terrorists and the cycle can continue. War makes money so it's win win.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

The people that are doi this need to be found rounded up and shot. Anyone who's British should never be able to come back here and they aren't British now in my eyes.

I feel for the guys family and it such a horrific way to go. Tbh I think we should join america in bombing Isis. We can't do nothing now

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Stupid suggestion maybe but It pisses me off that we are powerless to act because of rights infringements

I'm a big believer in human rights and I think it's sad that so many people see human rights as a bad thing. However, even those who don't like human rights should see why it's absolutely necessary to ensure someone isn't stateless, especially in matters of international terrorism where terrorists may flit across borders with countries unwilling to deal with them and piles of jurisdictional issues on top of that. The idea that someone must always be a citizen of somewhere means there will always be someone you can appeal to to ensure they are brought to justice. If you made someone stateless, not only does that cause problems of and in itself (if someone is thrown out of their own country do you really think they are less likely to commit terrorism?) but it means every country can pass the buck in difficult situations and makes it more likely that stateless people will not answer for their crimes at all. Like having a lender of last resort, ensuring someone always has a state is a necessary guarantee in the pursuit of international justice.

surely murdering a civilian is a war crime, and therefore can't we just hand anyone coming back over to the Hague?

 

[Skashion]

Stupid suggestion maybe but It pisses me off that we are powerless to act because of rights infringements

I'm a big believer in human rights and I think it's sad that so many people see human rights as a bad thing. However, even those who don't like human rights should see why it's absolutely necessary to ensure someone isn't stateless, especially in matters of international terrorism where terrorists may flit across borders with countries unwilling to deal with them and piles of jurisdictional issues on top of that. The idea that someone must always be a citizen of somewhere means there will always be someone you can appeal to to ensure they are brought to justice. If you made someone stateless, not only does that cause problems of and in itself (if someone is thrown out of their own country do you really think they are less likely to commit terrorism?) but it means every country can pass the buck in difficult situations and makes it more likely that stateless people will not answer for their crimes at all. Like having a lender of last resort, ensuring someone always has a state is a necessary guarantee in the pursuit of international justice.

surely murdering a civilian is a war crime, and therefore can't we just hand anyone coming back over to the Hague?

Is this a joke?

 

[foxy]

He will have a drone up his arse soon

 

[ChicagoBlue]

ISIS have to be destroyed, there can be no negotiation with those who will commit wanton genocide, but I don't think the United States and Britain being involved more than they are, is appropriate. I think we've got it right for a change, airstrikes, aid-dropped aid, and arm the Kurds if you insist on arming someone. Nothing else though, no boots on ground, and no arming of Shia forces.

As for the political solution, of course, the problem repeatedly in the Middle East is the never-ceasing failure to address the politics which lead to desperation and thence extremism.

The solution is to bring the situation back to how the the Americans left it, not perfect but it was getting there, everyone was warned that this was going to happen

Their failures are the cause of this mess. Their constitutional failures in creating a one-size-fits-all democracy in a country which isn't suitable for it, is what caused this mess. You talk about Maliki and his exclusion of Sunnis but what led to Maliki?

Iraq's political system, established, by *drum roll*, the Americans, [Should we go back to the way it was under the Brits, maybe?] which neglected to protect the power of the Sunnis to check Maliki and protect Sunni interests. It took a few short years for it to collapse, years marred by sectarian violence with thousands dying every year. The Americans remaining in Iraq wasn't any kind of solution. The Americans staying longer would simply have delayed what we're now seeing, it wouldn't have prevented it.

The solution has to be a general scaling down of Sunni/Shia tensions, with Iran and Saudi Arabia acting as guarantors in being more politically amenable across the region as a whole - Sunnis being included in the policies of Shia regimes and vice versa, There is a window here. Saudi Arabia might finally be scared into rationality by fear of ISIS. Iran is leaning towards more moderate policies, has already gotten rid of Maliki and is more open to both Saudi Arabia and the United States than it's been at any point in decades. The political role of the United States should be limited to not being belligerent towards Iran and encouraging Saudi Arabia in attempting to reconcile with Iran.

Whiplash alert! Getting dizzy.....

So, let's ignore Britain's rather large and pivotal role in Iraq's history, shall we? And, while we are doing that, let's also call it "politics" when it is really the bastardization of religious beliefs for the gain of personal power.

And, while we are suspending reality, let's believe the Tooth Fairy EU will "fix" the ISIS problem for us and not *Drum Roll* America! After all, there is nothing a bit of laser guided weaponry and a little carpet bombing with 500 and 1,000lb bombs cannot fix, is there?!

In the real world, ISIS has to be neutered as both an armed force and a faux political force, and thus made irrelevant to the larger issues in the region, by *America* giving all sides the room to maneuver and put their religious beliefs on the back burner for a moment and try to achieve a fragile political detente that is given some time to allow everyone to step back and reassess what they want from their world. Whether that is religious borders, larger powers in the region pulling rank and making everyone play nice, or any other permutation anyone can think of, I don't know.

One thing I do know, some "human rights" are going to get violated in the process, so I guess we will all have to revisit our situational ethics as this develops.

But then, if it was easy, someone would have figured it out, and everyone would have agreed, already!

 

[Scottyboi]

Sad news to wake up to. Alot of lives were lost in Iraq from our armed forces we have done them a diservice by letting it get overun again. A major operation needs to be put in place to assassinate ringleaders and hackers need to take down their propaganda to help prevent them gaining new martyrs. It's crazy to think that perhaps some countries need a dictator to hold it together.

 

[Skashion]

ISIS have to be destroyed, there can be no negotiation with those who will commit wanton genocide, but I don't think the United States and Britain being involved more than they are, is appropriate. I think we've got it right for a change, airstrikes, aid-dropped aid, and arm the Kurds if you insist on arming someone. Nothing else though, no boots on ground, and no arming of Shia forces.

As for the political solution, of course, the problem repeatedly in the Middle East is the never-ceasing failure to address the politics which lead to desperation and thence extremism.

The solution is to bring the situation back to how the the Americans left it, not perfect but it was getting there, everyone was warned that this was going to happen

Their failures are the cause of this mess. Their constitutional failures in creating a one-size-fits-all democracy in a country which isn't suitable for it, is what caused this mess. You talk about Maliki and his exclusion of Sunnis but what led to Maliki?

Iraq's political system, established, by *drum roll*, the Americans, [Should we go back to the way it was under the Brits, maybe?] which neglected to protect the power of the Sunnis to check Maliki and protect Sunni interests. It took a few short years for it to collapse, years marred by sectarian violence with thousands dying every year. The Americans remaining in Iraq wasn't any kind of solution. The Americans staying longer would simply have delayed what we're now seeing, it wouldn't have prevented it.

The solution has to be a general scaling down of Sunni/Shia tensions, with Iran and Saudi Arabia acting as guarantors in being more politically amenable across the region as a whole - Sunnis being included in the policies of Shia regimes and vice versa, There is a window here. Saudi Arabia might finally be scared into rationality by fear of ISIS. Iran is leaning towards more moderate policies, has already gotten rid of Maliki and is more open to both Saudi Arabia and the United States than it's been at any point in decades. The political role of the United States should be limited to not being belligerent towards Iran and encouraging Saudi Arabia in attempting to reconcile with Iran.

Whiplash alert! Getting dizzy.....

So, let's ignore Britain's rather large and pivotal role in Iraq's history, shall we? And, while we are doing that, let's also call it "politics" when it is really the bastardization of religious beliefs for the gain of personal power.

And, while we are suspending reality, let's believe the Tooth Fairy EU will "fix" the ISIS problem for us and not *Drum Roll* America! After all, there is nothing a bit of laser guided weaponry and a little carpet bombing with 500 and 1,000lb bombs cannot fix, is there?!

In the real world, ISIS has to be neutered as both an armed force and a faux political force, and thus made irrelevant to the larger issues in the region, by *America* giving all sides the room to maneuver and put their religious beliefs on the back burner for a moment and try to achieve a fragile political detente that is given some time to allow everyone to step back and reassess what they want from their world. Whether that is religious borders, larger powers in the region pulling rank and making everyone play nice, or any other permutation anyone can think of, I don't know.

One thing I do know, some "human rights" are going to get violated in the process, so I guess we will all have to revisit our situational ethics as this develops.

But then, if it was easy, someone would have figured it out, and everyone would have agreed, already!

Do you just get angry at my posts for no reason? Just wondering, because I actually said the west is doing well on this one.

 

[bernabias home shirt]

Horrible bunch of cunts who want blowing off the face of the earth

Has the Israel thread bit the dust again?