So it's either armchair general or have a biscuit! What you fail to realize is that it takes principles to bring terrorists to the table. It takes endurance. It takes moral fiber. It takes collective will power. To face up to a threat takes courage. Only by displaying these traits will your adversary take you seriously and understand that they cannot terrorize you into submission.nijinsky's fetlocks said:Gelsons Dad said:nijinsky's fetlocks said:We thought the same about the IRA - google them if you're unsure as to who they were.
As did the apartheid regimes in South Africa about the ANC - I think you'll find they are running the show now.
And countless other examples in recent geopolitical history.
Lasting peace comes through negotiation and mutual compromise.
That may well not go down well with the gung-ho armchair generals on here, but nevertheless it is the case.
Some of us have put our money where our mouths are.
Good for you - have a biscuit.
My point however remains, no matter how much of a war hero you are.
Violence begats violence - just how many times do you need reminding of that self-evident truth?
Gelsons Dad said:So it's either armchair general or have a biscuit! What you fail to realize is that it takes principles to bring terrorists to the table. It take endurance. It take moral fiber. It takes collective will power. To face up to a threat takes courage. Only by displaying these traits will your adversary take you seriously and understand that they cannot terrorize you into submission.nijinsky's fetlocks said:Gelsons Dad said:Some of us have put our money where our mouths are.
Good for you - have a biscuit.
My point however remains, no matter how much of a war hero you are.
Violence begats violence - just how many times do you need reminding of that self-evident truth?
Scottyboi said:Sad news to wake up to. Alot of lives were lost in Iraq from our armed forces we have done them a diservice by letting it get overun again. A major operation needs to be put in place to assassinate ringleaders and hackers need to take down their propaganda to help prevent them gaining new martyrs. It's crazy to think that perhaps some countries need a dictator to hold it together.
Wio Gumflapdinand said:I'm not sure what there is to negotiate with this group, they have sprung out of nowhere and taken land in two different countries and are looking at taking it all and murdering as they go. In many conflicts I can see how negotiations are a better option but here, I'm lost as to where to start. It's a murderous rabble not freedom fighters or anything such, a judge doesn't sit with a killer and negotiate what they should do
nijinsky's fetlocks said:Gelsons Dad said:So it's either armchair general or have a biscuit! What you fail to realize is that it takes principles to bring terrorists to the table. It take endurance. It take moral fiber. It takes collective will power. To face up to a threat takes courage. Only by displaying these traits will your adversary take you seriously and understand that they cannot terrorize you into submission.nijinsky's fetlocks said:Good for you - have a biscuit.
My point however remains, no matter how much of a war hero you are.
Violence begats violence - just how many times do you need reminding of that self-evident truth?
Oh dear - you really do believe your rhetoric, don't you?
Did you hear that speech in a spaghetti western?
So your solution is to bomb folk into submission, rather than negotiate?
I must admit it's a philosophy which is proving singularly unsuccessful of late.
I'm done here, as I think I'm wasting my time talking to an extra from Die Hard.
Hamann Pineapple said:Has anyone seen this second video ? I have to say the first one was not very conclusive. Are we just supposed to believe it's authenticity on the say so of someone who has made it unavailable for public consumption
nijinsky's fetlocks said:Markt85 said:nijinsky's fetlocks said:It's a political soundbite because it is nothing but hollow rhetoric which is never borne out either by logic or historical precedent - 'never negotiate with terrorists' is as valid a statement as 'never go out in the rain', because sooner or later, whether you like it or not, you have to do it, as sitting down with your former adversaries is how you solve conflicts.
Blowing things up, or building walls, or partitioning feuding communities may appease folk in the short term, but a truly lasting peace invariably comes via the negotiating table, rather than from the barrel of a gun.
If 'never negotiate with terrorists' is a pillar of your self, then I'd suggest a reappraisal, because that simply isn't how the real world works nowadays.
You think IS will negotiate around a table with America ? perhaps with some Tea and Bourbons ?
We thought the same about the IRA - google them if you're unsure as to who they were.
As did the apartheid regimes in South Africa about the ANC - I think you'll find they are running the show now.
And countless other examples in recent geopolitical history.
Lasting peace comes through negotiation and mutual compromise.
That may well not go down well with the gung-ho armchair generals on here, but nevertheless it is the case.