It's Quiet thread 14 - 'do one' edition

mrbelfry

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Rhodri is decent if you're not expecting him to tackle too much and he does infuriate me when he let's players run past him so easily instead of just getting his bulk in the way. His job though is to collect the ball from deep and play through the lines - to counter the counter attack and to keep the ball moving when the opposition is sitting deep.

My most controversial opinion of last year is that most of our defensive mistakes were caused by playing Ferna at centre back - he's good at the last ditch tackle but would often find himself out of position doing that or giving the ball away. He caused pressure to be put on the defensive system and then panic spreads. He might win the ball but we didn't keep the ball. You can almost sense we are going to concede when our defence plays the aimless clearance 2 or 3 times in a couple of minutes. He was probably the best of a mixed bag though.

This is why we need ball players throughout the team and why we can't afford to give the ball away cheaply. Giving the ball away playing a searching probing pass from KDB is one thing but the crappy turnovers we were conceding last year playing simple passes is what caused us issues. Anyway this is for another thread.

Part of the frustration with this transfer window was signing Ake and Torres so early. We always say we want signings in early but then complain when it looks like we aren't using the whole window. I think we all crave a deadline day triumph but don't think that's how we want to do business.
 

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Rodri is a deep-lying playmaker rather than a defensive midfielder. His job isn’t to run around putting out fires anymore than Xabi Alonso’s was at Bayern. He’s there to transition the ball first and foremost.

Obviously he is expected to weigh in with his share of interceptions and tackles (and headers, in Rodri’s case) but we don’t play with a shield in front of the back four.

Should we? Quite possibly, yes. But if Pep hadn’t inherited Fernandinho he wouldn’t have signed him

Fernandinho did both. From what I've seen of Rodri so far, he's incapable of either
 

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Yeah I know what Rodri’s style is, and no doubt he is quality, but I’m just not sure he’s the best fit. Honestly, it shouldn’t be too hard to find a defensive minded player, primarily, and who also has the ability to transition the ball. Every top def midfielder, Casemiro, Fabinho, Kanté, can do both. For me, there was too much focus on passing ability and not much else.

We’ll see what happens this season, but looking at how other teams attack us, it’s basically just a highway right through our midfield when Fernandinho is abscent.
I think you will find that all 3 are not good enough on the ball to play out from the back like we do. You can't lose it in the middle of the pitch. Casemiro was terrible against us trying to do so. If you think we should hoof it then expect to play more of Mourinho ball.
 

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Rhodri is decent if you're not expecting him to tackle too much and he does infuriate me when he let's players run past him so easily instead of just getting his bulk in the way.

Exactly! This was handsdown one of the most frustrating things to witness last season from Rodri.

I know Pep ”doesn’t coach tackles” but ffs, if Rodri sees the opposition come at us and he’s facing the guy in the middle of the park, you use your frame and you stop him with a standing or sliding tackle, or do a bit of dirty Fernandinho-business and tactically foul him. The worst was seeing him jogg on either behind the opposition or next to the player.

This needs to stop.
If Laporte stays fit most of the season, and Mendy finally come out of his shell at leftback, I would love to see an aggressive Aké take Rodris place in midfield. He has the ability to go forward with the ball but he’s also so fast and physical, winning like 75%+ of his ground duels, which is even better than Laporte.

Aké could be sick in midfield so I hope to see him there.
 

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Fernandinho did both. From what I've seen of Rodri so far, he's incapable of either
That's such an insane overreaction over rodri's first season in blue that I don't even know how to respond to it. I have no clue what season you were watching, but Rodri has been pretty good.
 

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That's such an insane overreaction over rodri's first season in blue that I don't even know how to respond to it. I have no clue what season you were watching, but Rodri has been pretty good.

Yes. He's developed an inspirational partnership with Gundogan!

Yea he should be given time to settle, but he's gonna have to raise it big time this season because last season was not good. Too often scared to take the ball from defence or when he does - straight back to the defence. He's looked incapable of moving it onto midfield most of the time. In defence I don't think he's particularly good at reading the game and with him being so slow its like watching an overgrown slug in the middle whilst the opposition breeze through.

All that said, we live in hope
 

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