It's Quiet thread 14 - 'do one' edition

[blueparrot]

I do, we have always been a very poor selling club.

Some of our buying was clever , well thought out, but we seem to be losing that ability.

The chase for a CB over the last 18 months is appalling, a few days from the start of the season and we seem to be no nearer.

Explain why we are poor then, and why if we are poor nothing has been done about it.

 

[decmancity]

I do, we have always been a very poor selling club.

Some of our buying was clever , well thought out, but we seem to be losing that ability.

The chase for a CB over the last 18 months is appalling, a few days from the start of the season and we seem to be no nearer.

We are not poor at selling, we pretty much make a profit on every youth sale (you can argue about the fees but it never seems like theres a bidding war for them so you do the best you can!) and we have outliers such as Dzeko and Tevez which need to be looked at with an understanding of what the situation was at the time.

We have made bad buys e.g Rodwell, Nolito, Negredo and a few others but we have pretty much made our money back on those. Txiki has done very well to palm off our unwanted players by and large.

People praise Monchi and so on but you will find hundreds of millions burnt by them also, Txiki can only do so much and especially when Pep is the manager he is working to even stricter guidelines.

I have no doubt that Txiki and the scouts have pulled out lists of defenders and Pep and his staff have said no to them. Txiki cant force clubs to sell us players.

If Koulibaly is the only one that can be agreed on with Txiki and Pep then its the one we will keep pushing to the end.

 

[Keeper!]

Explain why we are poor then, and why if we are poor nothing has been done about it.

We allow players to get well past their best before selling them, we are too loyal sometimes, players like Otto should have gone 2 seasons ago, when they had some value. We give large contracts to players who would never dream of getting those contracts at other clubs.

We spend months in negotiations for players, then won't agree to the demands of the selling club but appear to have no alternatives , especially in the case of CB.

Under Garry Cook and Tikix at the beginning we brought in our targets early, giving them time to settle into a new country and a full pre season to integrate.

 

[nmc]

Is Ezzy still posting or has he headed off to another site to spread his wisdom?

 

[blueparrot]

We allow players to get well past their best before selling them, we are too loyal sometimes, players like Otto should have gone 2 seasons ago, when they had some value. We give large contracts to players who would never dream of getting those contracts at other clubs.

We spend months in negotiations for players, then won't agree to the demands of the selling club but appear to have no alternatives , especially in the case of CB.

Under Garry Cook and Tikix at the beginning we brought in our targets early, giving them time to settle into a new country and a full pre season to integrate.

Has the way we do things been detrimental to team building, player loyalty and winning stuff. If it has why don't we change things, or maybe the club , the owner are happy with the way we do business and the results.

 

[SleepingBlueTiger]

I do, we have always been a very poor selling club.

Some of our buying was clever , well thought out, but we seem to be losing that ability.

The chase for a CB over the last 18 months is appalling, a few days from the start of the season and we seem to be no nearer.

We are a poor selling club because we only try to sell players who aren't good enough for us but are on wages that lower class teams can't afford.

If we decided to sell KDB or Sterling we would get huge money.

 

[Txiki Txiki Bang Bang]

Is Ezzy still posting or has he headed off to another site to spread his wisdom?

Can't believe how many people fell for his wisdom.

 

[Keeper!]

Has the way we do things been detrimental to team building, player loyalty and winning stuff. If it has why don't we change things, or maybe the club , the owner are happy with the way we do business and the results.

Loyalty is hugely important but we are having problems replacing the spine of the team which has served us wonderfuly for the last 10 years.
Kompany, Silva, Fernandinho and Aguero have not or need replacing.
In all cases so far we have replaced those players with lesser players, that's an issue.
Kompany as a player and just as importantly as a leader has been an enormous loss, the same with Fern, he was a huge player for us.
Aguero is coming to the end of his career with us, replacing him with a world class striker is a must.

 

[razman]

So dippers agreed deal for Thiago.... We didn't really need him, but it makes them stronger.... While we wait for a WC CB

 

[OccupiedPalestineBlues]

We are not poor at selling, we pretty much make a profit on every youth sale (you can argue about the fees but it never seems like theres a bidding war for them so you do the best you can!) and we have outliers such as Dzeko and Tevez which need to be looked at with an understanding of what the situation was at the time.

We have made bad buys e.g Rodwell, Nolito, Negredo and a few others but we have pretty much made our money back on those. Txiki has done very well to palm off our unwanted players by and large.

People praise Monchi and so on but you will find hundreds of millions burnt by them also, Txiki can only do so much and especially when Pep is the manager he is working to even stricter guidelines.

I have no doubt that Txiki and the scouts have pulled out lists of defenders and Pep and his staff have said no to them. Txiki cant force clubs to sell us players.

If Koulibaly is the only one that can be agreed on with Txiki and Pep then its the one we will keep pushing to the end.

Negredo wasn’t a bad buy, he was a great buy. My memory of the beast was that he was a goal scoring sensation until he got that shoulder injury. He wasn’t the same after that but he was worth every penny and more when we bought him IMO.