Jacinda Ardern

Del_Bosque said:
Absolutely disgusting breaking with the 5 eyes and reaching out for more trade with the Chinese while they are participating in basically genocide
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Guess which country we import more from than any other since Brexit, in spite of them "participating in basically genocide". People in glass houses......
 
her governments policy on China is stuck in the past.

Being cute with them or failing to call them out on their atrocities and human rights abuses won't get them what they think they can get from China.
 
bluethrunthru said:
A genuine loss to level headed political discourse amongst world leaders - a real loss

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Ultimately she was just okay, she could have been transformative. Her first term was hampered by being in coalition with a dinosaur, but when she won the next election with an overwhelming majority (in an MMP format) I had high hopes.

To be fair to her, she has dealt with a lot; having a baby, a deadly volcanic eruption, a deadly terrorist attack and a global pandemic. Her decision is understandable, the amount of abuse she's been getting from the ever increasing number RW nut jobs over here relentless.

I imagine a successful career at the UN awaits, and for managing the pandemic arguably better than anyone else, she leaves with my thanks and respect.

My fear now is a Right Wing coalition victory at this years election and we see the same type of politics/politicians you are being served up with in the UK.
 
ROCKET80 said:
Ultimately she was just okay, she could have been transformative. Her first term was hampered by being in coalition with a dinosaur, but when she won the next election with an overwhelming majority (in an MMP format) I had high hopes.

To be fair to her, she has dealt with a lot; having a baby, a deadly volcanic eruption, a deadly terrorist attack and a global pandemic. Her decision is understandable, the amount of abuse she's been getting from the ever increasing number RW nut jobs over here relentless.

I imagine a successful career at the UN awaits, and for managing the pandemic arguably better than anyone else, she leaves with my thanks and respect.

My fear now is a Right Wing coalition victory at this years election and we see the same type of politics/politicians you are being served up with in the UK.
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I just think she was a decent individual who for a change retained her decency in politics - I hope she marries Clark and goes on to contribute to public life in her homeland - I'd suspect her Maori citizens have benefitted from her just being there
 
ROCKET80 said:
Ultimately she was just okay, she could have been transformative. Her first term was hampered by being in coalition with a dinosaur, but when she won the next election with an overwhelming majority (in an MMP format) I had high hopes.

To be fair to her, she has dealt with a lot; having a baby, a deadly volcanic eruption, a deadly terrorist attack and a global pandemic. Her decision is understandable, the amount of abuse she's been getting from the ever increasing number RW nut jobs over here relentless.

I imagine a successful career at the UN awaits, and for managing the pandemic arguably better than anyone else, she leaves with my thanks and respect.

My fear now is a Right Wing coalition victory at this years election and we see the same type of politics/politicians you are being served up with in the UK.
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That fucking thumb is nailed on to be prime minister, can't wait for my minimal if any tax reduction while that **** and his mates get plenty back, and a reduction in already reduced public spending.
 
She is going because New Zealanders have lost faith in her so ask them if it’s a great loss.
 
mancity1 said:
Good job but an Island with closed borders and a population spread they have has many advantages the UK doesn't.

Covid hasn't impacted the island nations in the Pacific / Oceanic Region to any degree in terms of deaths because of closed borders although PNG is now in some strife.

if we had of used the NSW model in Australia we would have had under 100 deaths to date albeit we still close our borders to overseas travellers both ways including students from Asian countries one of our biggest money spinners.

Taiwan is the gold star IMO.
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We are an island with a similar ability. Closing airports, ports and the tunnel would have provided similar protections, but the delays attributable to Boris, meant that this island ended with more death than any other European nation, which is an absolute scandal of epic proportions. That alone, sees the difference between a decent human being, who makes decisions on what is morally right, and a charlatan, in the pocket of business and donors, prepared to take a risk on the health of the nation's people. What transpired here, with Covid, was an utter disgrace.

I wish Jacinda a wonderful, happy future. The joy now being expressed by some sections of the media shows how keen they are to maintain the status-quo, at the expense of trans-formative, young leaders, especially female ones.
 
bluethrunthru said:
So many people have such frail ego's when faced with a popular successful politician - if that politician is a woman then their levels of hurt go off the charts
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Her party is tanking in opinion polls and her own rating has never been lower.

Political life is tough, that’s why she is going.

It won’t stop you and others turning this into yet another thread where nasty people are being all misogynistic though.

Meanwhile you and others are happy to pile into other female politicians without even a hint of self awareness.
 
blueinsa said:
Her party is tanking in opinion polls and her own rating has never been lower.

Political life is tough, that’s why she is going.

It won’t stop you and others turning this into yet another thread where nasty people are being all misogynistic though.

Meanwhile you and others are happy to pile into other female politicians without even a hint of self awareness.
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The only pile on I have seen on female politicians is on Suella Braverman and Priti Patel, both of whom have said appalling things, and displayed levels of inhumanity that are unacceptable to many; Jacinda Ardern is not cut from the same cloth.
 
oldius said:
The only pile on I have seen on female politicians is on Suella Braverman and Priti Patel, both of whom have said appalling things, and displayed levels of inhumanity that are unacceptable to many; Jacinda Ardern is not cut from the same cloth.
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It’s ok for us to do it but not you……
 
oldius said:
It is okay for people who act in an inhumane and uncaring manner to be criticised for their behaviour.
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Not what he is saying, I think the general idea is to criticise in a constructive manner as opposed to acting in exactly the same manner as those one appears to look down upon.

Now you could say but they deserve it and miss the whole point by some margin. Unless people think that they are the oracle of right and wrong and everyone should follow and accept their views on everything.

There is a name for that I think:-)
 
hilts said:
Not what he is saying, I think the general idea is to criticise in a constructive manner as opposed to acting in exactly the same manner as those one appears to look down upon.

Now you could say but they deserve it and miss the whole point by some margin. Unless people think that they are the oracle of right and wrong and everyone should follow and accept their views on everything.

There is a name for that I think:-)
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There is no issue with criticism in a constructive manner. There are, however, a group of journalists whose consistent target are women, especially young women in positions of power. If they lean to the left, then they get an especially hard time from those journalists. Here, we have a seemingly honourable politician who is now the target, and has been the target, of those same journalists, and others.
 
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oldius said:
It is okay for people who act in an inhumane and uncaring manner to be criticised for their behaviour.
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Absolutely not and I’ve never said it is. Check the threads out on them and I’m equally critical.

What irks is the claims of misogyny to try and shut down criticism and debate when it suits.

Her party is tanking as has her own ratings so the good people of New Zealand are not happy with her.

Pointing that out does not make me a misogynist.
 
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