Jacob Rees-Mogg’s new rules

The blue phantom said:
A simple Yes or No George
Is Mogg in favour of Gay Marriage?
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No. In the ITV interview he says he isn't. He also says he has no quarrel with those that are, citing the biblical texts 'let him without sin cast the first stone and 'judge not that ye be not judged'. Don't doubt his sincerity at all but not sure about his version of Catholic teaching tbh - I'm not of that persuasion myself though. He also said he specifically supports its legal basis despite that being contrary to his religious belief that marriage is a sacrament and a matter for the Church.
 
Sadly many share Mogg's views and they see the rise of social liberalism as a threat to their way of life. It is an inherent small c conservative value to respect tradition and live a moral and upstanding life and they see some tenets of modern day liberalism as being contrary to their values of family, church and country. Whether we like it or not England in particular is a small c Conservative nation where patriotism is valued and love of Queen and country is an expected norm. It comes from our history and deferential respect of the establishment and it is from this deference that the little Englander mentality has arose. They see our nation as a village in the Cotswolds not as an inner City smorgasbord of looser morality, race and culture. For somebody like Mogg the shock of seeing all that he thought was true due to his sheltered upbringing being a falsehood must confuse the fuck out of him. He will genuinely wonder why people do not doff their caps to the well to do and he will find it astonishing that families from Harpurhey do not have nannies. I am loathe to blame him for his upbringing as I am loathe to blame myself for mine. I inhabit a different world to him and I think many on here do, what I don't understand is why people who have grown up in our world wish to be led by somebody from his. That makes no sense to me as his views are anathema to everything I hold dear.
 
Rascal said:
Sadly many share Mogg's views and they see the rise of social liberalism as a threat to their way of life. It is an inherent small c conservative value to respect tradition and live a moral and upstanding life and they see some tenets of modern day liberalism as being contrary to their values of family, church and country. Whether we like it or not England in particular is a small c Conservative nation where patriotism is valued and love of Queen and country is an expected norm. It comes from our history and deferential respect of the establishment and it is from this deference that the little Englander mentality has arose. They see our nation as a village in the Cotswolds not as an inner City smorgasbord of looser morality, race and culture. For somebody like Mogg the shock of seeing all that he thought was true due to his sheltered upbringing being a falsehood must confuse the fuck out of him. He will genuinely wonder why people do not doff their caps to the well to do and he will find it astonishing that families from Harpurhey do not have nannies. I am loathe to blame him for his upbringing as I am loathe to blame myself for mine. I inhabit a different world to him and I think many on here do, what I don't understand is why people who have grown up in our world wish to be led by somebody from his. That makes no sense to me as his views are anathema to everything I hold dear.
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Your characterisation of Rees Mogg, and those who think like him, as bewildered innocents in an alien culture is a foolish caricature and I'm genuinely sad to read that 'respecting tradition and living a moral, upstanding life' is anathema to your 'values'.
 
Rascal said:
Sadly many share Mogg's views and they see the rise of social liberalism as a threat to their way of life. It is an inherent small c conservative value to respect tradition and live a moral and upstanding life and they see some tenets of modern day liberalism as being contrary to their values of family, church and country. Whether we like it or not England in particular is a small c Conservative nation where patriotism is valued and love of Queen and country is an expected norm. It comes from our history and deferential respect of the establishment and it is from this deference that the little Englander mentality has arose. They see our nation as a village in the Cotswolds not as an inner City smorgasbord of looser morality, race and culture. For somebody like Mogg the shock of seeing all that he thought was true due to his sheltered upbringing being a falsehood must confuse the fuck out of him. He will genuinely wonder why people do not doff their caps to the well to do and he will find it astonishing that families from Harpurhey do not have nannies. I am loathe to blame him for his upbringing as I am loathe to blame myself for mine. I inhabit a different world to him and I think many on here do, what I don't understand is why people who have grown up in our world wish to be led by somebody from his. That makes no sense to me as his views are anathema to everything I hold dear.
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The first half of your post describes Brexit quite well.
 
blueinsa said:
I dont agree with his views on Gay marriage nor abortion but i respect his right to his religion as i do for everyone.

Plenty of other religions share the views of the catholic church.

Maybe we should insist on all politicians being agnostics from now on?
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Massive deflection of the argument.
His views on gay marriage and abortion are abhorrent whether they're secular or religious held beliefs.
 
George Hannah said:
No. In the ITV interview he says he isn't. He also says he has no quarrel with those that are, citing the biblical texts 'let him without sin cast the first stone and 'judge not that ye be not judged'. Don't doubt his sincerity at all but not sure about his version of Catholic teaching tbh - I'm not of that persuasion myself though. He also said he specifically supports its legal basis despite that being contrary to his religious belief that marriage is a sacrament and a matter for the Church.
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He's consistently voted against allowing gay marriage. He has sought to deprive gay people of the same rights afforded to their straight fellow citizens.
 
George Hannah said:
Your characterisation of Rees Mogg, and those who think like him, as bewildered innocents in an alien culture is a foolish caricature and I'm genuinely sad to read that 'respecting tradition and living a moral, upstanding life' is anathema to your 'values'.
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I was describing my thoughts about him, not my values. Values and views are distinct entities, I may understand his values but not his views, you may not agree with my values but understand my views and vice versa.

The Labour party has historically been a patriotic party with an amount of small c Conservatism in that it has always valued country, family and tradition, it manages to do so whilst not holding abhorrent views of which the likes of Mogg spout. The Conservative party has morphed into an English Nationalist party rather than a patriotic party and Mogg epitomises English nationalism. Nationalism is aggressive, patriotism is defensive, this point was made by clear by Atlee with his pursuit of a nuclear deterrent, it is a defensive weapon.

Mogg has used the ERG in his pursuit of English nationalism, in this sense it is the pursuit of power and prestige for the nation in which a person is willing to subjugate his individuality. It is not a long hop to see the suppression of individuality in his expression of being against gay rights and abortion. It is the power Nationalists want to hold over others choices by using their own moral values as the yardstick to judge others. By definition Patriotism is the love of a way of life that is tolerant to others and a patriot should have no wish to force his values on others.

In this sense Mogg is a person at odds with the vast majority of the nation who do value tradition, morality , equality and fairness, he is the bewildered innocent in an alien culture because he does not understand that culture, it is not his fault as I said and it is a caricature I believe carries weight as you can see from the OP in this thread he is at odds with the current established norms.
 
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