João Félix

You've just described Messi, bud. Read it back...
I've already emphasized some similarities between Felix and Messi in this thread earlier. The difference is young Messi was a great dribbler while Felix isn't. Messi was very fast, Felix is slow, and pace is an essential quality for a modern forward.

He could make up for such deficiencies by being a smart 9, but he doesn't show basic qualities of a 9, i.e. good movement inside the box and ability to separate from defenders (though he's not afraid to attack crosses and engage in physical challenges).

I see a very talented 10/second striker like Rui Costa or Dybala, but not a false 9/CF for 4-3-3. Don't think City need him unless Pep plans to either replace Sane by a tricky inside forward or add another 8 to compete with Foden, Bernardo and D.Silva (the latter is highly unlikely, obviously).
 
I think your Suarez comparisons are too optimistic and way off the mark.
Take a note of his general off-the ball behavior - he just strolls between the lines, waiting for the ball to come to his feet and letting others do all the legwork. I don't see a basic striker's ability to lose his marker.
Same problem in the defensive phase: Felix is not energetic enough for effective pressing, Jesus is on another planet in this regard.

I'm inclined to think his workrate and off-the-ball movement aren't good enough for a CF. Why would Pep bring in a young forward that can't press like a madman?

He can play as inside forward for City if his wing is occupied by a proper attacking fullback (and we have only one in Mendy right now). But not sure if it's worth the hassle. He can play as 8/10, but we've got enough of them.

I've already emphasized some similarities between Felix and Messi in this thread earlier. The difference is young Messi was a great dribbler while Felix isn't. Messi was very fast, Felix is slow, and pace is an essential quality for a modern forward.

He could make up for such deficiencies by being a smart 9, but he doesn't show basic qualities of a 9, i.e. good movement inside the box and ability to separate from defenders (though he's not afraid to attack crosses and engage in physical challenges).

I see a very talented 10/second striker like Rui Costa or Dybala, but not a false 9/CF for 4-3-3. Don't think City need him unless Pep plans to either replace Sane by a tricky inside forward or add another 8 to compete with Foden, Bernardo and D.Silva (the latter is highly unlikely, obviously).

Dude, I watch Félix every week and have been following him from youth ranks, both these posts are so off and unfair. First of all, let's clear some things up. Félix is not a striker - nobody ever claimed he was, I only even read this CF talk on English forums. Can he play as a CF? Yes, but he isn't one atm. Why would you be looking for a striker's movement in a player that plays behind the striker? His job at Benfica was never to be the first one pressuring, that's Seferovic, so of course you're not going to see him press like you would see a striker. Also, not every team has Man City's playstyle, not every team has their strikers pressure the opposition's defense like you do. There are so many reasons to counter the argument that because you don't see x do y, x can't do y. Your reasoning is so flawed.

Thing is, what you say isn't even true. His off the ball work is tremendous, he is literally everywhere on the pitch. You'll see him start a play just outside his own area and you'll see him finish it. To say that he just strolls between lines waiting for the ball is plain revisionism. It's the exact opposite. I don't even know where you got that idea from. He plays better off the ball than Bernardo did before joining City. And that brings me to another issue - he is 19 years old for goodness sake, do you think you are getting the final product? At 19 he already shows more promise than Bernardo did, look how good Bernardo is now. He wasn't half the player at Monaco. Heck, he was a (better) playmaker at Monaco, but Pep revamped him to be the workhorse he is today.

«Why would Pep bring in a young forward that can't press like a madman?». What does this even mean? He can. You had no indication that Jesus could do it before he joined City. Why? Because he learned it from Pep. You had no indication that Bernardo could be the all-terrain tractor that he is today. Why? He learned to play like that with Pep.

How do you not see a basic ability to lose his marker? That's literally how most his goals are scored. Are we even talking about the same player here? Did you ever watch him play? I don't mean to sound rude, it's just that most of those things aren't true. It's like you say something correct but follow it up by making something up. He isn't like Messi because no one is like Messi, Messi is the best, most talented, gifted, whatever player to ever roam this earth. Félix isn't a great dribbler compared to Messi because literally no player on the planet is, but he sure is a great dribbler compared to most players and he's got very quick feet. He is not slow, he is fast and he has pace! Those are some of his most obvious traits! It's just frustrating to read these tings being spread as truth when they quite simply don't match the reality. Again, no, he isn't a CF (as of now), but he is also none of those things you said. He plays as a SS because we at Benfica have a tradition of playing with 2 forwards, that doesn't mean that's all he can do. In fact, if he played as CF i'd reckon he'd be very similar to Mbappé, just with better dribble (and, of course, some worse attributes as well). But again, playing him as a CF would be a waste of his talents. And he sure as hell doesn't belong on the wings. He covers the whole field, but he belongs in the upfront middle part of the terrain from where he can drop everywhere, be it backtrack and receive a pass from the CB's, which he does a lot (so much for strolling between lines, like wth), go on the wings and make use of his pace (beyond me how someone can claim he doesn't have pace) and, most importantly, make an assist or score.

That being said, I hope he doesn't leave us.
 
Dude, I watch Félix every week and have been following him from youth ranks, both these posts are so off and unfair. First of all, let's clear some things up. Félix is not a striker - nobody ever claimed he was, I only even read this CF talk on English forums. Can he play as a CF? Yes, but he isn't one atm. Why would you be looking for a striker's movement in a player that plays behind the striker? His job at Benfica was never to be the first one pressuring, that's Seferovic, so of course you're not going to see him press like you would see a striker. Also, not every team has Man City's playstyle, not every team has their strikers pressure the opposition's defense like you do. There are so many reasons to counter the argument that because you don't see x do y, x can't do y. Your reasoning is so flawed.

Thing is, what you say isn't even true. His off the ball work is tremendous, he is literally everywhere on the pitch. You'll see him start a play just outside his own area and you'll see him finish it. To say that he just strolls between lines waiting for the ball is plain revisionism. It's the exact opposite. I don't even know where you got that idea from. He plays better off the ball than Bernardo did before joining City. And that brings me to another issue - he is 19 years old for goodness sake, do you think you are getting the final product? At 19 he already shows more promise than Bernardo did, look how good Bernardo is now. He wasn't half the player at Monaco. Heck, he was a (better) playmaker at Monaco, but Pep revamped him to be the workhorse he is today.

«Why would Pep bring in a young forward that can't press like a madman?». What does this even mean? He can. You had no indication that Jesus could do it before he joined City. Why? Because he learned it from Pep. You had no indication that Bernardo could be the all-terrain tractor that he is today. Why? He learned to play like that with Pep.

How do you not see a basic ability to lose his marker? That's literally how most his goals are scored. Are we even talking about the same player here? Did you ever watch him play? I don't mean to sound rude, it's just that most of those things aren't true. It's like you say something correct but follow it up by making something up. He isn't like Messi because no one is like Messi, Messi is the best, most talented, gifted, whatever player to ever roam this earth. Félix isn't a great dribbler compared to Messi because literally no player on the planet is, but he sure is a great dribbler compared to most players and he's got very quick feet. He is not slow, he is fast and he has pace! Those are some of his most obvious traits! It's just frustrating to read these tings being spread as truth when they quite simply don't match the reality. Again, no, he isn't a CF (as of now), but he is also none of those things you said. He plays as a SS because we at Benfica have a tradition of playing with 2 forwards, that doesn't mean that's all he can do. In fact, if he played as CF i'd reckon he'd be very similar to Mbappé, just with better dribble (and, of course, some worse attributes as well). But again, playing him as a CF would be a waste of his talents. And he sure as hell doesn't belong on the wings. He covers the whole field, but he belongs in the upfront middle part of the terrain from where he can drop everywhere, be it backtrack and receive a pass from the CB's, which he does a lot (so much for strolling between lines, like wth), go on the wings and make use of his pace (beyond me how someone can claim he doesn't have pace) and, most importantly, make an assist or score.

That being said, I hope he doesn't leave us.

Thanks for posting this. What you probably have here is a guy that seen a guys name in a transfer forum and went and watched a 5 min YouTube video and has made an opinion.

Luckily for us our club has a team that go and find players that suit our needs . I’m sure pep alone could find a player perfect to play for him than all of us put together. You spent a lot of time on that post and I learned quite a bit about the player, thanks !
 
Dude, I watch Félix every week and have been following him from youth ranks, both these posts are so off and unfair. First of all, let's clear some things up. Félix is not a striker - nobody ever claimed he was, I only even read this CF talk on English forums. Can he play as a CF? Yes, but he isn't one atm. Why would you be looking for a striker's movement in a player that plays behind the striker? His job at Benfica was never to be the first one pressuring, that's Seferovic, so of course you're not going to see him press like you would see a striker. Also, not every team has Man City's playstyle, not every team has their strikers pressure the opposition's defense like you do. There are so many reasons to counter the argument that because you don't see x do y, x can't do y. Your reasoning is so flawed.

Thing is, what you say isn't even true. His off the ball work is tremendous, he is literally everywhere on the pitch. You'll see him start a play just outside his own area and you'll see him finish it. To say that he just strolls between lines waiting for the ball is plain revisionism. It's the exact opposite. I don't even know where you got that idea from. He plays better off the ball than Bernardo did before joining City. And that brings me to another issue - he is 19 years old for goodness sake, do you think you are getting the final product? At 19 he already shows more promise than Bernardo did, look how good Bernardo is now. He wasn't half the player at Monaco. Heck, he was a (better) playmaker at Monaco, but Pep revamped him to be the workhorse he is today.

«Why would Pep bring in a young forward that can't press like a madman?». What does this even mean? He can. You had no indication that Jesus could do it before he joined City. Why? Because he learned it from Pep. You had no indication that Bernardo could be the all-terrain tractor that he is today. Why? He learned to play like that with Pep.

How do you not see a basic ability to lose his marker? That's literally how most his goals are scored. Are we even talking about the same player here? Did you ever watch him play? I don't mean to sound rude, it's just that most of those things aren't true. It's like you say something correct but follow it up by making something up. He isn't like Messi because no one is like Messi, Messi is the best, most talented, gifted, whatever player to ever roam this earth. Félix isn't a great dribbler compared to Messi because literally no player on the planet is, but he sure is a great dribbler compared to most players and he's got very quick feet. He is not slow, he is fast and he has pace! Those are some of his most obvious traits! It's just frustrating to read these tings being spread as truth when they quite simply don't match the reality. Again, no, he isn't a CF (as of now), but he is also none of those things you said. He plays as a SS because we at Benfica have a tradition of playing with 2 forwards, that doesn't mean that's all he can do. In fact, if he played as CF i'd reckon he'd be very similar to Mbappé, just with better dribble (and, of course, some worse attributes as well). But again, playing him as a CF would be a waste of his talents. And he sure as hell doesn't belong on the wings. He covers the whole field, but he belongs in the upfront middle part of the terrain from where he can drop everywhere, be it backtrack and receive a pass from the CB's, which he does a lot (so much for strolling between lines, like wth), go on the wings and make use of his pace (beyond me how someone can claim he doesn't have pace) and, most importantly, make an assist or score.

That being said, I hope he doesn't leave us.
This pretty much describes a false nine, which Pep uses, if I understood correctly ?
 
Dude, I watch Félix every week and have been following him from youth ranks, both these posts are so off and unfair. First of all, let's clear some things up. Félix is not a striker - nobody ever claimed he was, I only even read this CF talk on English forums. Can he play as a CF? Yes, but he isn't one atm.
So, Felix doesn't have a skillset of CF/false 9 and isn't likely to ever lead the line in 433, right? That was the main point of my posts addressed to @Dax777 (who has compared Felix to Suarez) and @tolmie's hairdoo (Messi comparisons).

Why would you be looking for a striker's movement in a player that plays behind the striker? His job at Benfica was never to be the first one pressuring, that's Seferovic, so of course you're not going to see him press like you would see a striker. Also, not every team has Man City's playstyle, not every team has their strikers pressure the opposition's defense like you do. There are so many reasons to counter the argument that because you don't see x do y, x can't do y. Your reasoning is so flawed.
Because it's a City transfer forum, not just some 'Joao Felix appreciation' thread on Benfica's board, we're discussing his possible application to the current ManCity team. His qualities of a pure AM/SS - no matter how talented he is - are less relevant as Pep rarely uses 2-striker setups, and City aren't likely to bring in another 10: 'AM' position is the most stacked area of the squad, we have 5 players who can play there not even counting Zinchenko.

«Why would Pep bring in a young forward that can't press like a madman?». What does this even mean? He can. You had no indication that Jesus could do it before he joined City. Why? Because he learned it from Pep. You had no indication that Bernardo could be the all-terrain tractor that he is today. Why? He learned to play like that with Pep.
Wrong, both Jesus and Bernardo were known as extremely hardworking players prior to City transfer. Jesus literally came with a 'pressing specialist' reputation.
 
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https://metro.co.uk/2019/03/27/manc...nchester-united-100m-star-joao-felix-9034263/

Don't get too excited guys..its the Metro, plus we may once again be led a long road down the inevitable De Jong path where he eventually goes to a club he 'always wanted to join'

Looking past the YouTube highlights, I'm impressed the more I see of him. I like the aggressiveness he shows in attacking the ball for goal scoring headers at such a young age. His vision is spot on & I'm not sure where these comments about lack of pace or dribbling skills have come from. Just look at his Benfica Team B games, the boy has skills on skills!

Pep would turn him into a world beater & if we're talking about being smarter & quicker in the transfer business, I'm all for buying him in the summer and loaning him back to Benfica to appease them & give him more first team football for development whilst we still have Kun & Jesus going strong next season.
 
Any extremely representative and not-at-all misleading YouTube videos kicking about?
 
Sam Lee saying we are interested in him now
I'm sorry guys, but forgive me if I think Txiki comes here to check my views on who to like :)

De Jong... Boom interest!
Joao Felix.... Boom! Interested!
Rodri .... Boom! Interested!



I'm going to try my luck one more time.


I really think Federico Chiesa is the beeswax!!! And if I couldn't get Joao Felix, I'll take him as a backup plan. He can become special.


Go ahead Txiki... Look into it. I want concrete interest within a month :)
 

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