Joe Hart (joined Torino on season long loan - Official)

[mosssideblue]

Since Bravo seems to be on his way, and Hart is presumably out the door, it'd be nice if Hart played some part in the game on Wednesday so he could get a proper send-off. He might not be the future, but he's been bloody good for us over the years.

That would be nice, but not sure Pep does sentiment

 

[r.soleofsalford]

Your comment about the number of World Cups is irrelevant - Germany have been on a different level to England for decades - they don't have defenders like Phil Jagielka. Remember De Gea's two absolute howlers against Croatia - lost possession to Rakitic, beaten on his near post by Perisic, and spilled the ball against Italy. No pundit witch hunt. Butland was conceding two goals a game before his injury, but he's the golden boy so no criticism. All goalkeepers concede, but you can't compare City to Burnley for example - their goalkeeper will always be busier, but it's a fair comparison of the top 6 teams' goalkeeper's records. You can't judge over one season. Over five seasons Joe is the clean sheet king - four Golden Gloves. A better record than De Gea over five years.

absolutely agree with this. and he has better stats than anyone in the league over those 5 years.

 

[mosssideblue]

I trust the factually correct stats and the opinions of Messi and Buffon. Joe is right up there with the best.

I know I am being devils advocate here Harry, but if he is up there with the best, why isn't there a queue of top teams looking to secure his services?

Joe is a very good keeper, but too many are simply throwing it out there that he is WC and one of the best, and he has too many weaknesses to be categorised as such. Sorry, but that's the way I see it.

 

[dennishasdoneit]

Hart is a very good keeper however the club and the fans wanted Pep. Now he has come so it's time to back him up or what was the point in hiring him? Come manage the team but don't do this and that. No. You're either all in or all out. Best of luck to Hart wherever he goes no doubt he will continue to have a good career.

pretty much..

 

[twoddlehopper]

Your not wrong but unfortunately your another of a long list on this forum that is missing the point.

Let me just make it clear. Joe Hart is a better keeper than Cabbalero. I'm pretty certain Pep would agree.

This isn't about football though and I thought that much was blatantly obvious at this point but it would appear some are still not grasping it.

Guardiola is making a point. A point about his authority. It's as much about that as it is Joe's ability on the ball and his apparent tendency to be a bit of nob sometimes.

For too long this squad has been about jobs for the boys and the passengers have been flying the plane. This ends now. That is what it's about.

It's a stance I admire and one that has been needed.

I wish Joe all the best but his time here is through. He was never going to start today even if he is a better keeper than Willy.

I'm aware that it's clearly nothing to do with who's the better keeper, I was just making a throw away comment to someone saying Joe was more than capable of putting in that level of kicking performance that Willy produced yesterday.
It's looking increasingly clear that Pep has told Joe privately 'sorry kidda you're done'. That's fine, it's the decision of one of the best managers going, my point remains though that, unlike what many on here would have you believe, this doesn't make Joe a shit keeper, just surplus at our club.
If he goes to the candle lighters, he'll improve them and I for one would be gutted to see him in their shirt.

 

[burning blue soul]

i think some people need to have a change in mentality regarding the goalkeeping at city under Pep.

pep doesn't want a goalkeeper just playing in nets, his priority is having a FOOTBALLER in the goal, with an ability to play football with the ball at their feet, to become the extra man (e.g. sweeper keeper).

the set mentality for most is that a goalkeeper is doing hi job if he saves shots and keeps a clean sheet and clears his lines, everything else is secondary. but this is not how pep prioritizes the attributes of his keepers.

the whole ethos of his approach to the game relies on a keeper that doubles up as an outfield player, thus allowing his teams to play as if they have the extra man in midfield.

joe cant do this, but it doesn't mean he's shit, it just means that the attribute pep wants is not there, and if its not there then joe won't play in this team.

its exactly the same as with an outfield player, if they cant bring the skill set that the manager wants in that position then they are sold on, and with the best wishes of city.

joe will go as well, and hopefully be successful elsewhere, at a club that value his skill set.

 

[Proy]

I'm aware that it's clearly nothing to do with who's the better keeper, I was just making a throw away comment to someone saying Joe was more than capable of putting in that level of kicking performance that Willy produced yesterday.
It's looking increasingly clear that Pep has told Joe privately 'sorry kidda you're done'. That's fine, it's the decision of one of the best managers going, my point remains though that, unlike what many on here would have you believe, this doesn't make Joe a shit keeper, just surplus at our club.
If he goes to the candle lighters, he'll improve them and I for one would be gutted to see him in their shirt.

OK

I'll go on the record now. I think Joe is a poor goalkeeper.

And I can back that up with proven statistics. We all know he has a glaring weakness on his bottom left hand side. Something that should have been eradicated a long time ago for a keeper playing at the level he has been.

His distribution is horrific. Even his long kicking, which is the British way, is poor. This is the main reason.

He also punches crosses/corners he should be collecting. Far too often.

Now, he's one of the best one on one shot stoppers I have ever seen, and I'm not going to take that away from him, but it's clouding people's judgement and making a section of city fans believe he's a world class keeper. He isn't. Never has been.

When he has a good day he's quality, Messi alluded to this as did Suarez.

However as a whole package it's never been good enough.

The non footballing reasons have been exhausted on here but I think there is a decent argument for the football side if one was required.

He's served a lot of years here so you could argue about the morality of it all and whilst I don't usually relate money to footballers (we are all human ), he's not done too badly out of us, has he?

 

[Krieng_Thai OSC]

He prefer loan move but I don't think City will agree. He will come back one day and still cannot play in new system, we need to sell him anyway. If he really cannot find buyer we better have him here training and hopefully he improves. But if he really doesn't want to work with Pep then perhaps he has to reduce his wage to find new club in this window.

 

[twoddlehopper]

OK

I'll go on the record now. I think Joe is a poor goalkeeper.

nd I can back that up with proven statistics. We all know he has a glaring weakness on his bottom left hand side. Something that should have been eradicated a long time ago for a keeper playing at the level he has been.

His distribution is horrific. Even his long kicking, which is the British way, is poor. This is the main reason.

He also punches crosses/corners he should be collecting. Far too often.

Now, he's one of the best one on one shot stoppers I have ever seen, and I'm not going to take that away from him, but it's clouding people's judgement and making a section of city fans believe he's a world class keeper. He isn't. Never has been.

When he has a good day he's quality, Messi alluded to this as did Suarez.

However as a whole package it's never been good enough.

The non footballing reasons have been exhausted on here but I think there is a decent argument for the football side if one was required.

He's served a lot of years here so you could argue about the morality of it all and whilst I don't usually relate money to footballers (we are all human ), he's not done too badly out of us, has he?[/QUOTE]
Sorry, but there's no way we will agree if you honestly think he's poor. Regardless of what you can site as "proof" you'll never convince me he's a poor keeper. I've seen him with my own eyes over the years, he's a very good keeper. Saved us countless points, certainly more than he's ever cost us.
People have different opinions on the same subject, that's life and if you truly believe from what you've seen of Joe for us makes him poor, then God help our replacement keeper and the standards he'll have to achieve to be 'good'

 

[Proy]

Sorry, but there's no way we will agree if you honestly think he's poor. Regardless of what you can site as "proof" you'll never convince me he's a poor keeper. I've seen him with my own eyes over the years, he's a very good keeper. Saved us countless points, certainly more than he's ever cost us.
People have different opinions on the same subject, that's life and if you truly believe from what you've seen of Joe for us makes him poor, then God help our replacement keeper and the standards he'll have to achieve to be 'good'

All entitled to our opinion. I'm not here to convince you.

All I'll say to you in reply, is that the top brass in this football club agree with me.

I think that's enough said