Joey Barton found guilty of sending offensive posts | Given suspended sentence

I think so, yes. Musk could be held responsible for wider matters, I guess, matters of corporate policy, or a failure to act after the event, but on a platform such as X individual posts have got to be down to the person who posted it, at least as the law stands as I understand it.

I think social media should be regulated far more stringently, but that is a separate point.

There's a pretty easy conclusion here. Twitter started as a "micro-blogging" site. Tweets were just short blog posts.

If Barton had posted these comments to his personal blog at www.joeybarton.com no one would question his own liability for his words.
 
Barton and his ilk are like witch hunters riling up the mob. Mostly against people whose ability to fight back is limited.
They're actually becoming a serious menace. If he was clever he could have severely rubbished his victims and still got away with it, but he isn't. So effectively people have no real protection against this sinister conspiracy. Which is often very politically motivated. There is a general trend to intimidate and isolate certain communities and bodies of political belief the goal of which IMHO is serious physical violence.

There's gonna be suicides and mental breakdowns.
If there haven't been already.
 
There's a pretty easy conclusion here. Twitter started as a "micro-blogging" site. Tweets were just short blog posts.

If Barton had posted these comments to his personal blog at www.joeybarton.com no one would question his own liability for his words.
But equally, if it was published in a national newspaper, no-one would question the newspaper's liability. What we have with social media is a platform where anyone can post whatever they want, but also a platform that engages in editorial decisions about that content. It selects content to show you based on that it thinks you would like, so by definition, the social media company have curated Joey Barton's post and chosen to put it in front of certain people.

The fact that all of this happens automatically based on some algorithm is neither here nor there, in my opinion. If the Daily Mail had published something libellous, they would not be allowed to point out that everything was checked by some AI lawyer, and 'taken down as soon as we were notified,' as a defence. But somehow, these social media companies have successfully convinced everyone that it's somehow impractical to properly moderate their platforms. The biggest companies the world has ever seen, yet we're led to believe that they couldn't afford to employ more people than a single Volkswagen factory. They could moderate things properly, but it would eat into their shareholder profits. The stupidest thing every government did with social media is to allow them to this legal status of basically being the paper the newspaper is printed on, rather than the actual publisher. I get that you've got to have a certain amount of leeway and a slightly different legal structure when it's user-generated content, but that doesn't mean that we can't mandate things, for example, certain numbers of real human moderators, and timely takedowns of illegal/libellous content, with real penalties for failing to do so.
 
But equally, if it was published in a national newspaper, no-one would question the newspaper's liability. What we have with social media is a platform where anyone can post whatever they want, but also a platform that engages in editorial decisions about that content. It selects content to show you based on that it thinks you would like, so by definition, the social media company have curated Joey Barton's post and chosen to put it in front of certain people.

The fact that all of this happens automatically based on some algorithm is neither here nor there, in my opinion. If the Daily Mail had published something libellous, they would not be allowed to point out that everything was checked by some AI lawyer, and 'taken down as soon as we were notified,' as a defence. But somehow, these social media companies have successfully convinced everyone that it's somehow impractical to properly moderate their platforms. The biggest companies the world has ever seen, yet we're led to believe that they couldn't afford to employ more people than a single Volkswagen factory. They could moderate things properly, but it would eat into their shareholder profits. The stupidest thing every government did with social media is to allow them to this legal status of basically being the paper the newspaper is printed on, rather than the actual publisher. I get that you've got to have a certain amount of leeway and a slightly different legal structure when it's user-generated content, but that doesn't mean that we can't mandate things, for example, certain numbers of real human moderators, and timely takedowns of illegal/libellous content, with real penalties for failing to do so.
If Elon Musk started getting sued for content published on X then I would imagine that, miraculously, some form of effective moderation system would be found
 
But equally, if it was published in a national newspaper, no-one would question the newspaper's liability. What we have with social media is a platform where anyone can post whatever they want, but also a platform that engages in editorial decisions about that content. It selects content to show you based on that it thinks you would like, so by definition, the social media company have curated Joey Barton's post and chosen to put it in front of certain people.

The fact that all of this happens automatically based on some algorithm is neither here nor there, in my opinion. If the Daily Mail had published something libellous, they would not be allowed to point out that everything was checked by some AI lawyer, and 'taken down as soon as we were notified,' as a defence. But somehow, these social media companies have successfully convinced everyone that it's somehow impractical to properly moderate their platforms. The biggest companies the world has ever seen, yet we're led to believe that they couldn't afford to employ more people than a single Volkswagen factory. They could moderate things properly, but it would eat into their shareholder profits. The stupidest thing every government did with social media is to allow them to this legal status of basically being the paper the newspaper is printed on, rather than the actual publisher. I get that you've got to have a certain amount of leeway and a slightly different legal structure when it's user-generated content, but that doesn't mean that we can't mandate things, for example, certain numbers of real human moderators, and timely takedowns of illegal/libellous content, with real penalties for failing to do so.
You hid a mouthful in there! ;-)

The key thing you said is the most interesting and integral part of this, and other, sordid affairs…

Newspapers are held legally responsible as a publisher, while internet providers of an open forum are not held to that legal standard. They say they host personal content, while trying to moderate it within all legal limits. In their minds, they would only be a publisher of personal thoughts if they received them, vetted them, and only allowed those they deemed acceptable to ever be seen. But, not only do they say that’s virtually impossible, but they definitely do not want to do it!

As someone who believes freedom of speech should be almost absolute, and finds the mental health arguments specious (you don’t have to read comments or even be on any of these platforms), I tend to agree with the companies. That said, it is definitely disturbing to see just how susceptible to lies and alternative facts some people are!

Lastly, there are already plenty of laws on the books to address anything physically threatening that is said or done in response to internet posts.

And, for the record, Joey Barton is a ****…but if that was illegal this forum would be half empty ;-)
 
Sending people to prison for offensive messages in the current climate is probably a headache people could do without.
Yes it's not a good optic as well as the fact that our prisons are somewhat overcrowded. Can you imagine the headlines
' Man sent to prison for expressing his opinions whilst real criminals are being freed'. Sections of the media would be wetting themselves
 

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