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I would like the Jorginho transfer done before the Mahrez one simply because the reported £75m sum for Mahrez will most likely influence Napoli to up their price as we all know how difficult some Italian clubs deal with the now so called cash strapped English clubs.
 
SebastianBlue said:
Despite what Pep has said in the past (ahem), that is the one thing he does coach regarding tackling. The standing tackle, while seen as boring and “half-arsed” (at best) by most English spectators, is actually the most tactically advantageous method of winning back the ball because, even if you fail, you are still on your feet to recover and (at the very least) pressure the opposition player that still has the ball. It also allows players to hunt the ball in packs, even past first or second phases of play.

As soon as you leave your feet you have become a binary statistic (either having won the ball/given away a foul or taken yourself out of play completely) and if there is one thing Pep hates is a binary state—his ideal universe is the ‘infinite dimensions’ theory. ;-)

Jorginho also seems to have the Dinho ability of closing down channels, which is much more valuable than tackling, anyway. Good DMs win the ball back through high energy, aggressive tackling or interceptions as the ball is played. The great DMs stop the ball from being played in the first place by taking up positions that cut off passing channels and/or force the opposition to give away the ball themselves before it can be played to a teammate (press) or dribbled forward.

It’s the ironic bit of assessing the DM/CM position via statistics—often the players with the most tackles won/interceptions are good but not quite as good as the truly top echelon players in that position who can only really be assessed by watching them, since there are no “took up position that stopped a counterattack in its tracks because there was no where for the opposition player in possession of the ball to pass” or “pressed player in to making a bad pass which lead to turnover of possession” metrics... at least not yet—I have not gotten quite enough seed funding for my startup just yet.
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Your conclusion that stats are not a good judge might be true. But tour reasons are probably wrong. It's simpler than that.

Possession reduces opportunity:

If you have the ball 65% of the time you simply have fewer opportunities to showcase your tackling and intercepting skills. Compared to someone who's team gas the ball 35% of the time.

That said, you can take teams at the upper end of possession and compare the stats of their players. As it suggests that disparity in opportunity is greatly reduced.This doesn't erase all the variables; nothing does. But you can make good assumptions by examining the stats in light of watching the players.
Frankly perusing statistical comparisons make you see better when you actually watch the players. You are less likely to overstate one great or terrible play, while understating 50 okay plays that have a greater overall effect.
 
Dax777 said:
Your conclusion that stats are not a good judge might be true. But tour reasons are probably wrong. It's simpler than that.

Possession reduces opportunity:

If you have the ball 65% of the time you simply have fewer opportunities to showcase your tackling and intercepting skills. Compared to someone who's team gas the ball 35% of the time.

That said, you can take teams at the upper end of possession and compare the stats of their players. As it suggests that disparity in opportunity is greatly reduced.This doesn't erase all the variables; nothing does. But you can make good assumptions by examining the stats in light of watching the players.
Frankly perusing statistical comparisons make you see better when you actually watch the players. You are less likely to overstate one great or terrible play, while understating 50 okay plays that have a greater overall effect.
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Watching live, still has some benefit.

What a player does when not in possession, i:e for 89 minutes is reasonably important. At least in my humble opinion.

Not seen the not in possession of the ball stats.
 
asahartford1 said:
Watching live, still has some benefit.

What a player does when not in possession, i:e for 89 minutes is reasonably important. At least in my humble opinion.

Not seen the not in possession of the ball stats.
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Would expect Guardiola will look at stats but will decide on which players he wants by watching them in games and that's what he will make his mind up on, what he sees with his own eyes..
 
asahartford1 said:
Watching live, still has some benefit.

What a player does when not in possession, i:e for 89 minutes is reasonably important. At least in my humble opinion.

Not seen the not in possession of the ball stats.
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What you do in possession is a function of what you do out of possession. If a player constantly touches the ball 90 times regardless of the team he plays for, you can tell from inference, what he does our of possession.

If he tackles in average more than his teammates and players on similar teams at other clibs, you can infer from that what he does out of possession.

In analysis of game tapes, you can pause multiple frames to analyze what a player "not in possession is doing."

As for watching live, the atmosphere is nicer, especially if you are watching the club or country you support. And there is something to be said for being amongst kindred spirits.

But in terms of player or game analysis. Meh! It's more for public show than anything else. The real analysis is done pouring over statistics and analyzing films in dark backrooms.
 
Dax777 said:
What you do in possession is a function of what you do out of possession. If a player constantly touches the ball 90 times regardless of the team he plays for, you can tell from inference, what he does our of possession.

If he tackles in average more than his teammates and players on similar teams at other clibs, you can infer from that what he does out of possession.

In analysis of game tapes, you can pause multiple frames to analyze what a player "not in possession is doing."

As for watching live, the atmosphere is nicer, especially if you are watching the club or country you support. And there is something to be said for being amongst kindred spirits.

But in terms of player or game analysis. Meh! It's more for public show than anything else. The real analysis is done pouring over statistics and analyzing films in dark backrooms.
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Though I like your posts. And I think you have a good football knowledge,
Especially of players I don't have an idea about. If we were to watch a match while you would be making stats, I would be seeing 11 x 89 mins of what a player was doing out of possession.

That is why you would see Yata Toure completing 100 passes, while I would see the 2 times he let a midfielder run off him and create ir score a goal.

Two different methods of match analysis, the Sven or Guardiola way I guess,
 
Love_Each_Day said:
Don't remember the last Italian who was successful in premier league, Heinze maybe
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Honestly there's only one answer to this

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Dax777 said:
Your conclusion that stats are not a good judge might be true. But tour reasons are probably wrong. It's simpler than that.

Possession reduces opportunity:

If you have the ball 65% of the time you simply have fewer opportunities to showcase your tackling and intercepting skills. Compared to someone who's team gas the ball 35% of the time.

That said, you can take teams at the upper end of possession and compare the stats of their players. As it suggests that disparity in opportunity is greatly reduced.This doesn't erase all the variables; nothing does. But you can make good assumptions by examining the stats in light of watching the players.
Frankly perusing statistical comparisons make you see better when you actually watch the players. You are less likely to overstate one great or terrible play, while understating 50 okay plays that have a greater overall effect.
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I am an economist that manages a statistical (predictive) modelling and data analytics division.

Give me nearly any dataset, and what you would like it to indicate (within the context of the universe), and I can give you statistically significant/high confidence level findings (and dimension-based reports) that will demonstrate it... for a nominal fee, of course.

Statistics are a great tool, but they are (and should be) a single arrow in the quiver of assessment. I do agree that the analysis issue I raise *could* be partly due to the tactics employed, but I also touched upon the tactics that Pep prefers, which is to avoid the “last ditch tackle” scenarios altogether, hence why DMs that play within that sort of system often do not have as impressive statistics.

Pep has said many times that he welcomes performance analytics, and has encouraged the development of the “science”, but that it can be very difficult to accurately assess players within the context of quantitative measurement, for the reasons @asahartford1 has alluded to. Pep has always championed new, groundbreaking methods of qualitative assessment, which integrates data points with educated minds and/or algorithms for analysing overall player tendencies, strengths, weaknesses, and more.
 
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