journalist Jonathan Norcroft and Colin Savage talk FFP

[M18CTID]

Check this Tweet out from Der Spiegel's Christoph Winterbach - reckons Northcroft was spot on and PB was using smokescreens. He's a fucking wumming prick and it sums up exactly what kind of c*nt he is and what kind of rag his shithouse of a publication is:

 

[MillionMilesAway]

It was interesting listening to the salient points that JN made to PB.
The witch hunt question was the 1st point. Although I don't believe there is exactly a witch hunt from the point that "football leaks" wasn't designed to have a pop solely at MCFC. The several other cases he pointed out that they or Der Spiegel make hay from don't make headline news or click bait in this country. In addition the detail reported in Der Spiegel was not done so impartially or without malice. Elements regarding details of City's dealings were grossly exaggerated to cast the club in a poor light alluding to some form of criminality. At worst we may have broken a few ill conceived football competition rules not committed corporate murder.
The way the matter has been reported in the press here and the twitteratti is nothing short of sensationalist bollocks. UEFA are currently not investigating us regards FFP and we are certainly not facing a European ban.
Some of JN other points regarding flouting the payment of agents fees in the Sancho deal (reported as circumnavigating FFP, what, for a few grand, do me a favour). Of course the matter is a concern but we wait until the PL have investigated before passing sentence. Then we have the allegation of breaching 3rd party rules in both Zuccelini and Mangala. Well even I was aware that both players needed to have 3rd party issues resolved before they came here and it was reported at the time. Did we forget then? If we have dropped the ball here we will deservedly get pelters and a probable transfer ban. Someone should be sacked of course. Do I believe we have fucked up? No. We shall see.

Thanks for this. Enlightening.
Sounds as though Northcroft was pretty reasonable, and had a basis for his points.

Mangala's 3rd party thing was surely done at the time? I remember a big fuss about it.

 

[M18CTID]

Thanks for this. Enlightening.
Sounds as though Northcroft was pretty reasonable, and had a basis for his points.

Mangala's 3rd party thing was surely done at the time? I remember a big fuss about it.

Yeah, it was all over the press and everyone was aware of it so it would almost be beyond comprehension if City have fucked that up

 

[wagonman]

I’ve heard that Colin Savage is a right tosser. Does he post on here?

I read somewhere that you believe stuff you just hear...

JJ

 

[Rochdale Blue]

Check this Tweet out from Der Spiegel's Christoph Winterbach - reckons Northcroft was spot on and PB was using smokescreens. He's a fucking wumming prick and it sums up exactly what kind of c*nt he is and what kind of rag his shithouse of a publication is:

He was on Tuesday night's 'off the ball' podcast. He reckons all the other clubs will lose their respect for UEFA if we aren't punished, he also says they are developing software to go through the mega million documents they've procured and it seems they are desperate to dig up and rake as much silage as possible.

 

[trevorriley]

not usually the sort of thing I listen to as I don't have time, but had an hour to kill.

some interesting points brought up that made sense, good of the guy to arrange the discussion.

But then you sit back and think well how can uefa bent from the start, that was once run by Platini as a main man, be then be discussed with a journalist and be expected to dig out some truth. FFP / Uefa will continue to baffle us all

 

[Kinkys Left Foot]

Check this Tweet out from Der Spiegel's Christoph Winterbach - reckons Northcroft was spot on and PB was using smokescreens. He's a fucking wumming prick and it sums up exactly what kind of c*nt he is and what kind of rag his shithouse of a publication is:

So here we are again.
The basis of the tweet is that the discussion is good but anyone representing City is somehow being evasive, untruthful or out and out lying to protect the alleged misdeeds of the club.
I presume the term smokescreen is the allegation that information imparted by PB is some kind of subtefuge to draw attention away from the crux of the matter.
In this case it is fundamental to our point of view that UEFA, having worked hand in hand with the club over the previous months to ensure we worked towards compliance, pulled the rug out from under us to ensure we could not mitigate our losses. NOT argue against failure, we were always going to fail the break even test from the outset.
I'd like to ask if he believes the information regarding the exclusion of the pre 2010 wages contracts to mitigate loss is incorrect in the first instance and if not (the change of rules is undisputable) what he thinks is UEFA's reasoning for doing so. (We think we know).
I'd also ask him if we knew we would fail either minor or majorly why would we bother with all this alleged skullduggery of just exceeding sponsorship contracts or alleged false contracts for small amounts when we could have gone for a massive pisstake of a couple of hundred million via Etihad not the going rate of 40 million at the time. Would have saved us a lot of bother and unlikely it could be adjusted as UEFA's Accountants declared them as not a related party.
When alls said and done I hardly think a few 7 year old emails are going to effect a binding agreement regarding sanctions imposed such a time ago. We held our end up and increased our revenue exponentially from none Abu Dhabi sources so much so our business model has proven to be successful. Do UEFA really want to dig the whole thing up? Why would they risk trying to sanction us further? Any attempted gan punishment would be referred to the upper body for consideration and history tells us would likely fail. In short there won't be any investigation or sanction.

 

[kiam06]

So basically the rules are corrupt and bent but how dare we break them...

 

[tonea2003]

They are opaque to me

Tell me what we need to do.......

ha ha, george has form on being opaque

 

[Henkeman]

Smokescreen implies dishonesty. That's a shitty thing to claim about someone who has a different view on something.

 

[tonea2003]

Check this Tweet out from Der Spiegel's Christoph Winterbach - reckons Northcroft was spot on and PB was using smokescreens. He's a fucking wumming prick and it sums up exactly what kind of c*nt he is and what kind of rag his shithouse of a publication is:

wonder if he elaborates on what these smokescreens are?

 

[Jazzman]

So basically the rules are corrupt and bent but how dare we break them...

In a nutshell. I am always wondering why none if these socalled journalists are interested in the bigger picture of those rules in first place. After all what has City done which is harmful to football in general? Nothing, on the contrary our plan works, the club is profitable and plays the best football the Premier League has ever seen. And I don't see any of the clubs taking our money when we buy players being unhappy about getting paid well for the commodity. Only ones threatened are a few Kartell clubs who hate loosing money to us. And those journos have nothing better to do than defend the mafia?

 

[Pablo ZZZ Peroni]

Check this Tweet out from Der Spiegel's Christoph Winterbach - reckons Northcroft was spot on and PB was using smokescreens. He's a fucking wumming prick and it sums up exactly what kind of c*nt he is and what kind of rag his shithouse of a publication is:

I've just listened to Christoph Winterbach on Gaurdian Football Weely pod. Anyone interested it is from 56:50.

Nothing really new as far as I was concerned but as far as the experts on here are concerned it is probably worth a listen.

 

[Kinkys Left Foot]

He was on Tuesday night's 'off the ball' podcast. He reckons all the other clubs will lose their respect for UEFA if we aren't punished, he also says they are developing software to go through the mega million documents they've procured and it seems they are desperate to dig up and rake as much silage as possible.

If that is true then "they" I presume by this you mean UEFA, must be about to investigate the illegally obtained documents then?
Im sure City's legal department are waiting to be notified of such an investigation and the presentation of any forthcoming damning evidence in order to ask any legal body, committee, bench, panel or other investigative representative to have it immediately made inadmissible on the grounds of being illegally obtained.
Personally I think this is made up bollocks, more statements of fact with no factual basis whatsoever. The press are good at it.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

If that is true then "they" I presume by this you mean UEFA, must be about to investigate the illegally obtained documents then?
Im sure City's legal department are waiting to be notified of such an investigation and the presentation of any forthcoming damning evidence in order to ask any legal body, committee, bench, panel or other investigative representative to have it immediately made inadmissible on the grounds of being illegally obtained.
Personally I think this is made up bollocks, more statements of fact with no factual basis whatsoever. The press are good at it.

I reckon he means Spiegel or some other organisation, like he journo collective - not UEFA. There's no indication that all the docs have been given to UEFA (and it makes no real sense).

 

[Daz_Blue]

 

[Kinkys Left Foot]

In a further interesting observation.
Ive just read through Der Spiegel Reporters Christoph Winterbach twitter history making the following notes.
He comments on the whistleblower Rui Pinto on numerous occasions and references his interview regarding the " I'm not a hacker....I did it for the good of football... without expectation of personal gain" shite. Not once does he mention this tosspot has form for hacking company accounts and embezzlement and was arrested on a European Arrest Warrant for exactly that kind of activity. (You can read the full story on-line - its interesting and for me clearly establishes this bloke is a hacker and extortionist for purely financial gain - ) How balanced of him to indicate we should value such whistleblowers......
Verified account 6h6 hours ago
Christoph Winterbach Retweeted Bastian Obermayer

A glimmer of hope that the work of whistleblowers will be more appreciated in the future. We need to value people like @RuiPinto_FL, who risk their well-being to expose crimes and systematic misconduct. #FootballLeaks

Oh and Christoph, City haven't committed any crimes!

Breaking News we are being investigated by UEFA for FFP violations - FUCKING BRING IT ON

 

[kiam06]

In a nutshell. I am always wondering why none if these socalled journalists are interested in the bigger picture of those rules in first place. After all what has City done which is harmful to football in general? Nothing, on the contrary our plan works, the club is profitable and plays the best football the Premier League has ever seen. And I don't see any of the clubs taking our money when we buy players being unhappy about getting paid well for the commodity. Only ones threatened are a few Kartell clubs who hate loosing money to us. And those journos have nothing better to do than defend the mafia?

They are puppets for the red clubs always have been always will be.

 

[Rochdale Blue]

If that is true then "they" I presume by this you mean UEFA, must be about to investigate the illegally obtained documents then?
Im sure City's legal department are waiting to be notified of such an investigation and the presentation of any forthcoming damning evidence in order to ask any legal body, committee, bench, panel or other investigative representative to have it immediately made inadmissible on the grounds of being illegally obtained.
Personally I think this is made up bollocks, more statements of fact with no factual basis whatsoever. The press are good at it.

I meant Spiegel have documents they intend sift through. I'm still not sure how any company is allowed to hang on to illegally obtained documents, whether incriminating or not.

 

[cheekybids]

I meant Spiegel have documents they intend sift through. I'm still not sure how any company is allowed to hang on to illegally obtained documents, whether incriminating or not.

This is a mystery to me as I was always under the impression that those who received stolen goods were dealt a more severe sentence. It’s like buying a stolen video & refusing to give it back until you’ve finished using it.