Jude Bellingham

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applejuice said:
A second striker more like performance vs Italy.

I am not sure if it is what Southgate asked him to do or it is his preference.
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With Rice and Phillips in there he was definitely playing more as a no.10 and in the first half he was brilliant. The issue currently is that he can't control or dictate the game. He needs to learn how to control the tempo and give England that when we are under pressure, which tends to be when we are winning and for long periods.

Considering he is younger than Cole Palmer yet has buckets of talent and experience, I think Pep can help him do that and improve further.

At moments in the first half he was unplayable and that's why he is such a special talent. Strength, skill, pace, power.
 
supercity88 said:
With Rice and Phillips in there he was definitely playing more as a no.10 and in the first half he was brilliant. The issue currently is that he can't control or dictate the game. He needs to learn how to control the tempo and give England that when we are under pressure, which tends to be when we are winning and for long periods.

Considering he is younger than Cole Palmer yet has buckets of talent and experience, I think Pep can help him do that and improve further.

At moments in the first half he was unplayable and that's why he is such a special talent. Strength, skill, pace, power.
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All true. He is a dynamic, direct player, and something that would act as compliment to Rodri's ability to retain possession, as well as Jack's. In essence, IMO he would be more like the KDB of the future. He has things to learn - control of tempo, not to hold the ball too much - but those issues are ones that our game will help with: we have the ball more than England do, and his teammates will be more available to receive the pass than England's are. I am certain that meeting with so many City players, and seeing their nature, will be a very positive aspect of his international appearances.
 
Blue_Lightsaber said:
Some players just can't be sorted..

Zlatan
Ronaldinho
E'to
Angelino
Nasri
Cancelo

Trust him when he cuts them loose
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The only guy in football to win 2 ucl titles with 2 different teams in 2 consecutive seasons? I think you got it completely wrong about including Eto'o there. The guy he was swapped with was a huge flop in Barcelona. Pep is a great manager but let's be honest here, he got that call wrong. Terribly wrong.
 
FantasyIreland said:
Cracking player with enormous potential and genuine presence.A way to go.....but shades of Yaya to his game and what he will bring into our 11.
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In the first half I can see what you mean. Pace and strength although no final ball that I could see. In the second half where was he?
He is completely different to anything we have in midfield just now and I'm not sure thats a good thing. Pace and strength great, but the ability to link defence with offence? ball retention? assists in the final third? I'm not seeing that.
 
supercity88 said:
With Rice and Phillips in there he was definitely playing more as a no.10 and in the first half he was brilliant. The issue currently is that he can't control or dictate the game. He needs to learn how to control the tempo and give England that when we are under pressure, which tends to be when we are winning and for long periods.

Considering he is younger than Cole Palmer yet has buckets of talent and experience, I think Pep can help him do that and improve further.

At moments in the first half he was unplayable and that's why he is such a special talent. Strength, skill, pace, power.
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I don't think that controlling the rhythm is a thing that can be taught. That is nature. Look at Gundo/Bernado or Grealish performance in their early days you can see players with not fully matured body but they had rhythm in their play. IMO Bellingham will never be that type of player but he has some quality to become a good direct powerful and hard working midfielder.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
In the first half I can see what you mean. Pace and strength although no final ball that I could see. In the second half where was he?
He is completely different to anything we have in midfield just now and I'm not sure thats a good thing. Pace and strength great, but the ability to link defence with offence? ball retention? assists in the final third? I'm not seeing that.
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The way he played in his recent England cameos (including WC) left big holes in the midfield defensively. He has little sense of position or use his cover shadow. Also he showed very little ability of receiving in tight space or on half turn. At least not in England shirt. But he is very good at transitions for sure. For me he is a 2nd striker but has the potential to be one of double pivots or a B2B midfield. If he comes Pep needs to make him play with much more discipline.
 
Feels like next Saturday is the big one to seal the deal
Beat Liverpool and it puts them in the shit for top 4 with Chelsea and arsenal to follow
It shows him the gulf in class between the teams
It also firmly show’s arsenal the title charge is on
…..what could go wrong!
 
applejuice said:
The way he played in his recent England cameos (including WC) left big holes in the midfield defensively. He has little sense of position or use his cover shadow. Also he showed very little ability of receiving in tight space or on half turn. At least not in England shirt. But he is very good at transitions for sure. For me he is a 2nd striker but has the potential to be one of double pivots or a B2B midfield. If he comes Pep needs to make him play with much more discipline.
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which he would for sure but does he have the raw material that Pep would need or would he just be more suited to a Liverpool type of team where the midfield are nothing but ....well you tell me.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
which he would for sure but does he have the raw material that Pep would need or would he just be more suited to a Liverpool type of team where the midfield are nothing but ....well you tell me.
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TBH He is more suited for Liverpool. Perfect fit really. Liverpool just cannot afford him though.

He ran the midfield in the 1st half but Italy midfielders are really very light weight in terms of body power. You won't get that everyday in PL. Big guys in Spurs or Utd midfield will make his game very difficult.

He did not offer enough link up to our back line as a 10 role and that was part of the reason why we struggled to get out in 2nd half. That is why I prefer to buy some fullbacks to set Grealish/Foden free to roam inside, rather than spend too much on Jude. If Dortmund really asks for 150M, I would rather to use this money to buy 2 good pacy fullbacks plus one midfielder like Kovačić this summer.
 
applejuice said:
The way he played in his recent England cameos (including WC) left big holes in the midfield defensively. He has little sense of position or use his cover shadow. Also he showed very little ability of receiving in tight space or on half turn. At least not in England shirt. But he is very good at transitions for sure. For me he is a 2nd striker but has the potential to be one of double pivots or a B2B midfield. If he comes Pep needs to make him play with much more discipline.
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I wouldn't agree with that at all. He played in a midfield with Rice and Henderson for the majority of the WC and last night had Rice and Phillips. His job isn't a defensive one. He's there to receive the ball in more attacking space. For Dortmund he's always looking to find little pockets and on the turn can then make things happen, it's a major strength to his game. He's strong and long limbed so even if his touch is bad he often still keeps the ball and then is running at the opposition. With Haaland ahead of him he'll be much more dangerous than with someone like Kane who is often looking to be in that space as well.

We've played Dortmund a few times and Bellingham has been their best player in almost all of those games. He's been an attacking threat and he's also been at the back putting in tackles and defending.

He's much more likely to move into space to score or provide an assist than be the one controlling the tempo of a game, but I still believe he can be moulded into whatever we specifically need. It's much easier to learn to keep the ball and find others in space than it is to learn to turn and spin past players before carrying the ball and creating a chance.

It's a bit like Kev's form recently. Pep just reminded him to do the simple things first, and funnily enough he did and then the through balls and assists came again.
 
applejuice said:
TBH He is more suited for Liverpool. Perfect fit really. Liverpool just cannot afford him though.

He ran the midfield in the 1st half but Italy midfielders are really very light weight in terms of body power. You won't get that everyday in PL. Big guys in Spurs or Utd midfield will make his game very difficult.

He did not offer enough link up to our back line as a 10 role and that was part of the reason why we struggled to get out in 2nd half. That is why I prefer to buy some fullbacks to set Grealish/Foden free to roam inside, rather than spend too much on Jude. If Dortmund really asks for 150M, I would rather to use this money to buy 2 good pacy fullbacks plus one midfielder like Kovačić this summer.
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Tin hat on. I think you could make the same argument for Haaland.
 
Tugay One Cup said:
Do we know what's wrong with his knee? He looked absolutely knackered after twenty minutes last night but that strapping on his knee and the limp before he came off had me a bit concerned.
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He's been carrying an injury, but he's Dortmunds main man so it seems pain killing injections, patching him up & sending him out to play is the order of the day.

He's Dortmund's player, so they'll do as they see fit. They currently lead the Bundesliga, so the chances of Bellingham being rested range from zero to no chance... \0/
 
applejuice said:
I don't think that controlling the rhythm is a thing that can be taught. That is nature. Look at Gundo/Bernado or Grealish performance in their early days you can see players with not fully matured body but they had rhythm in their play. IMO Bellingham will never be that type of player but he has some quality to become a good direct powerful and hard working midfielder.
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I'd definitely disagree on this one. He has all the raw tools to be moulded into that sort of player. He can use his body well to protect the ball, has a good eye for a pass and his reading of the game is good for a young player. Six months under pep will see these attributes polished up to make him even better. We've got to remember how good a coach pep is, especially for midfielders.
 
Dribble said:
He's been carrying an injury, but he's Dortmunds main man so it seems pain killing injections, patching him up & sending him out to play is the order of the day.

He's Dortmund's player, so they'll do as they see fit. They currently lead the Bundesliga, so the chances of Bellingham being rested range from zero to no chance... \0/
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Yeah I saw the images of him with his knee strapped earlier this week.

He just looked really heavy and worn out. Reminded me of Kev when you can clearly see he needs a break. That coupled with the limping thing has just concerned me a bit.
 
Tugay One Cup said:
Yeah I saw the images of him with his knee strapped earlier this week.

He just looked really heavy and worn out. Reminded me of Kev when you can clearly see he needs a break. That coupled with the limping thing has just concerned me a bit.
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Dortmund did the same with Haaland last season. To be fair though, Erling admitted he wanted to keep playing so as not to effect his potential transfer. Luckily he had the summer & World Cup to recover.

However it seems both Dortmund & England are happy to rinse the Bellingham. If he's happy to play, then there'a little anyone can do about it.

He's a Dortmund & England player, so it's their call & they're evidently looking at their interests above Bellingham's welfare...
 
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