Jude Bellingham

Read my post again. I’m saying that different people define world class in different ways.

I never said I thought he was world class. I said I think all the top teams being after him must mean he’s one of the best in the world in his position.
One of the best propositions in that position, he could fail spectacularly, when Mbappe turns up I’m assuming he won’t be going forward as much so probably less goals.
 
Read my post again. I’m saying that different people define world class in different ways.

I never said I thought he was world class. I said I think all the top teams being after him must mean he’s one of the best in the world in his position.
Fair enough, I have misread your posts.
 
So because he had six months of stellar football in a historically dominant, protected club in a relatively weak league, followed by four months of middling performances in that league, playing 90 minutes in Real’s loss to Atlético in the Copa del Rey, and fairly poor performances in the Champions League in the knockout rounds, he is “world class”?

That’s all it takes now?

Michu should really feel hard done by, if so, given he did with Swansea!

My opinion is he should be considered World Class because he is one of the most important players for both Madrid and England, he proved it at Dortmund and is proving it at Madrid - he has so many attributes both defensively and attacking - it's rare you see someone that comfortable on the ball driving from one end of the pitch to the other, he has a wide range of vision- makes great passes and scores all types of goals, for such a young age he really is mature, composed and fearlessness - where he is now is what you find from other players at their absolute peak around 26/27 years old. Pretty much everyone in the game agrees - It's not media hype, it's actual players and former players that see how good he is aside Martin Keown and Bluemoon.






 
Spent the second half at the Etihad chasing shadows , diving and blowing out of his arse . No doubt he’s got talent but has also developed a billy big bollocks attitude. Kane should have sparked the **** in the first leg when he went whispering in his ear before the penalty kick .
 
My opinion is he should be considered World Class because he is one of the most important players for both Madrid and England, he proved it at Dortmund and is proving it at Madrid - he has so many attributes both defensively and attacking - it's rare you see someone that comfortable on the ball driving from one end of the pitch to the other, he has a wide range of vision- makes great passes and scores all types of goals, for such a young age he really is mature, composed and fearlessness - where he is now is what you find from other players at their absolute peak around 26/27 years old. Pretty much everyone in the game agrees - It's not media hype, it's actual players and former players that see how good he is aside Martin Keown and Bluemoon.






So is he "world class" in the same way De Bruyne is "world class"? Or Modric is "world class"? Or David Silva was "world class"? Or Aguero? Or Iniesta? Or Charlton?

By the way, I am not sure he proved anything at Dortmund, and I very much contest he has proved it a Real Madrid after ~6 months of stellar football and ~4 months of mediocre (at best) football at the business end of the season.

I agree he is immensely talented—I have said that from the beginning—but wholly reject him being “world class” at present. He could be if he can consistently produce and contribute at the very top level as the likes of De Bruyne, Modric, Kroos, Iniesta, and others have. But he is nowhere near their level right now.

And I also find your dismissal of his increasingly problematic behaviour on the pitch somewhat troubling, as if it does not set a horrible example for young footballers coming up now (and as if that doesn’t matter).
 
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Out of those four? Fuck yes. Bellingham had a decent 1/3 of a season. Saka has won fuck all and Palmer is great at penalties in a mid table team.

Foden has been the best player in the best team in the world for 12 months and has won absolutely every fucking thing a player can win.

This statement is not true, he didn't win for national team yet though that's not all of his fault when he is not given a chance of being a central player for England.
 
He's been completely ineffective in the last 5 games I've watched (4 Madrid ,1 England). He's undoubtedly talented. He's undoubtedly a bit of a showboat ****. If the argument is that he's world class right now I'd say I don't think so. He loves a good exasperated hands thrown up on the air as well which bothers me, even though a couple of our lads like that move as well.
 
FFS, Sky Sports on Bellingham….

Bellingham produced an all-action display for Madrid and was able to get the better of fellow Englishman Harry Kane on Wednesday night.
 
In the last 4 chump leagues games I can honestly say I’ve barely noticed him. When I have he’s either diving on the floor or trying to whip up the Madrid crowd as if he’s been there longer than Modric. I don’t follow La Liga and have no idea how well he’s playing against Spanish mediocrity
 
FFS, Sky Sports on Bellingham….

Bellingham produced an all-action display for Madrid and was able to get the better of fellow Englishman Harry Kane on Wednesday night.
The revisionism is one of the ways the narrative gets so skewed.

Even people that actually watched the match will have their recollection of it slightly distorted when reading that.

And people who didn't watch the match won't know he had another in a series of ineffectual performances in the CL knockout rounds, spending more time on his arse feigning being fouled and moaning at the ref than on his feet trying to play.

A great example for the world's youth, as @BlueHammer85 would have you believe.
 
We are at the "build Bellingham up and fawn over everything he does" stage of media coverage.

The next stage is the Daily Mail pics of him coming out of a club or with his supermodel gf questioning his priorities. The final stage is after England fall flat on their face in the Euros and then he is slagged off and slated.

Saw this with Gazza 30 odd years ago
 
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so bellingham, saka, palmer all pretty shit and go missing. Foden the only one world class. got ya.
Pretty much, yes. Saka spends more time inspecting the grass than playing and Palmer has a long, long way to go to catch Foden. As yet Bellingham has done okay but needs to cut out the shithouse antics he is increasingly bringing to his game.
 
Thought he was very average in two qtr finals against us, then again he was up against a formidable team!

What I found shitty about Bellingham both in our CL games and in England games this season, his attitude was poor. Diving, whinging, acting like a brat, trying to get people booked, wouldn't like that in any of our players. Compare his demeanor to Phil, chalk n cheese. Even his colleague Modric who does his talking on the pitch and is gracious off it.

Hope he does grow up and his game comes on too. However we're all guessing mbappe is going there, Hendrick is joining, still have Vinicius and Rodrigo as well as Carmavinga et al. Be fun keeping all those ego's happy!
 
One of the first names on the team sheets for England and Real Madrid.. he obviously isn't average is he.
He’s obviously above average. But not the Rolls Royce, Mr Perfect player the media have built him up to be. He will improve for sure. But I’d take KDB over him even today and Foden anytime of the day over him. From the Champions League games I’ve watched him in this season he’s’ not all that. Not yet anyway.
 

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