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What situation? Losing a few games?

We're over reacting to a ridiculous extent on here. Is the solution to get big Sam in to steady the ship?

I don't see us as 8 or 9 short, more 4 or 5.

Fucking everything the guy has done and achieved at our club and the first time he hits a rocky patch we've got fans questioning his credentials. A complete joke.

As I've said, if we're struggling this time next season it might be worth having a discussion but until then, it's not difficult to ride it out - wait for transfer windows, wait for players to come back from injury and see where we are.

Depressing reading these views. The moment Pep leaves is the moment we regress as a club, and not just for 2 fucking months. Likely a turbulent time ahead of hiring and firing managers, just be grateful for who we have.
No worries mate. It's all good. Nothing to see here.
 
So all our fans 30 and under are not "true" fans? Nonsense. We can't expect them to laugh at this situation. Back in the day it was much easier to be OK with a lack of success. There weren't these expectations. This squad was considered the best squad in the world less than 2 months ago and now can't beat ANYONE. In fact, in many games we aren't even competitive. And our legendary manager seems at a loss to stem the bleeding. These younger fans are in shock. Why? Because what's happening is shocking, simple as. As an older fan myself I'm glad these young fuckers are in an uproar. God bless them!!!!

The City YouTubers are a laughingstock of the club, Only Big Steve can hold his own, the rest are after-hits and in it for themselves, It is dangerous if City fans are hanging on to every word they speak

You support your football club in good or bad, WHY, It is because that is football, Once you are at the top everybody is chasing you, so to keep winning the title and 4 in a row takes a special team and club, But you have to fail at some point and fall from grace,

Why laugh at a crisis, Well is it a crisis if you don't win
 
What is fucking annoying is the fact there are no stand out teams at home or in Europe.

Our teams of the last 10.years would win the big double easily.

Has football finally reached the point where winning titles means nowt to players.
Look at Mbappe for example, spent 2 years trying to get to Madrid and he's been crap since getting there.

Sadly, the standards we set over the years may never be reached again by anybody else.
 
So all our fans 30 and under are not "true" fans? Nonsense. We can't expect them to laugh at this situation. Back in the day it was much easier to be OK with a lack of success. There weren't these expectations. This squad was considered the best squad in the world less than 2 months ago and now can't beat ANYONE. In fact, in many games we aren't even competitive. And our legendary manager seems at a loss to stem the bleeding. These younger fans are in shock. Why? Because what's happening is shocking, simple as. As an older fan myself I'm glad these young fuckers are in an uproar. God bless them!!!!

What games weren't we competitive in other than Liverpool?

Even in our drubbings to Sporting and Spurs, we were competitive. Sporting we pretty much dominated the first half and should have been out of sight before they scored. Spurs we had 23 shots and an xG not much down from theirs. Yes we defended horrendously but to say we weren't competitive would be misleading to say the least.

Brighton we were winning the game with 20 minutes or so left and again should have had more, Bournemouth again just wrong to say we weren't competitive.

Genuinely can't think of a game (Liverpool aside) where we haven't been competitive, whether that means we played well for a full 90 minutes throughout the team is a different matter.

This "we can't beat ANYONE" is needless hyperbole.

It's a rough patch, it happens. It'd be great if it didn't but they're inevitable.
 
Lewis/Gundog have no defensive awareness, full stop

No one does at the moment. We're panicking. Our defensive shape without the ball is horrific. Players are pressing and leaving easy passes available and plenty of space. Or they're dropping far too deep. Here are some images of our defensive shape from last night, and I've compared it to Juventus.

Juve 1.png
City in attack - Juve have their defenders in the box and are all on the front foot looking to close the ball as soon as it's played. You can see Gundo and De Bruyne have some space.

Juve 2.png
But instantly the Juve players have sprinted out to close that down and prevent the ball coming into the box.

Juve 3.png

Meanwhile this is us... Doku and Rico had doubled up on Conceicao. Gundo is...well I'm not sure what he's up to with a man behind him. Despite how many players in defensive positions we have, there's an easy pass back and it's 3 v 3 in the box for any cross - which is what happens.

Juve 4.png

And here's another example. Look how many players are back, but how much space there is outside the box. No one has got tight to a player to prevent an easy pass or to win the ball back. We've just got back into the defensive third and are all stood around watching the ball, which gets crossed in and ends up leading to the goal. You can pick out nearly every player in a City shirt and see something wrong. Haaland should have prevented the cross. Dias has two players he's defending because Gvardiol's positioning is wrong. Gundo and Bernardo don't need to be where they are and should either be tracking a man or on the edge of the box to close one of those players off. Walker's got the man behind him as well as one in front which he's too far off to mark.

Ederson then spills the ball, it's not cleared properly...Walker doesn't get tight to stop the cross and despite three defenders being in the box Vlahovic wins the header, Ederson spills again and it's 1-0.

It's a car crash at the moment. It's like watching kids. Run straight back to your goal as soon as you lose it seems to be the strategy. But don't worry about any shape or defensive structure.
 
No one does at the moment. We're panicking. Our defensive shape without the ball is horrific. Players are pressing and leaving easy passes available and plenty of space. Or they're dropping far too deep. Here are some images of our defensive shape from last night, and I've compared it to Juventus.

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City in attack - Juve have their defenders in the box and are all on the front foot looking to close the ball as soon as it's played. You can see Gundo and De Bruyne have some space.

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But instantly the Juve players have sprinted out to close that down and prevent the ball coming into the box.

View attachment 140424

Meanwhile this is us... Doku and Rico had doubled up on Conceicao. Gundo is...well I'm not sure what he's up to with a man behind him. Despite how many players in defensive positions we have, there's an easy pass back and it's 3 v 3 in the box for any cross - which is what happens.

View attachment 140425

And here's another example. Look how many players are back, but how much space there is outside the box. No one has got tight to a player to prevent an easy pass or to win the ball back. We've just got back into the defensive third and are all stood around watching the ball, which gets crossed in and ends up leading to the goal. You can pick out nearly every player in a City shirt and see something wrong. Haaland should have prevented the cross. Dias has two players he's defending because Gvardiol's positioning is wrong. Gundo and Bernardo don't need to be where they are and should either be tracking a man or on the edge of the box to close one of those players off. Walker's got the man behind him as well as one in front which he's too far off to mark.

Ederson then spills the ball, it's not cleared properly...Walker doesn't get tight to stop the cross and despite three defenders being in the box Vlahovic wins the header, Ederson spills again and it's 1-0.

It's a car crash at the moment. It's like watching kids. Run straight back to your goal as soon as you lose it seems to be the strategy. But don't worry about any shape or defensive structure.
Get yourself down to the Etihad and get in Peps ear……pretty basic tactics needed
 
Just read your post, but after posting mine. (I was so incensed by what I saw, that I posted in the heat of the moment). A lot of the things we're saying are very similar.

Yes - I do feel it's a lack of cohesion which isn't helped with changes & injuries etc. Although some of the defending can't be excused at all regardless of personnel!
 
Losing 2-0 at Juventus is no disgrace. We made 3/4 good chances - less than we used to do - and if we'd defended well, we should have taken at least a point. Shit happens when you're collectively off form, and out of luck.

The sideways and backwards passing by Lewis was very noticeable last night, as was his failure to pass so that his teammate could move forward onto the ball - there were many occasions when the player receiving the pass had to stop or move backwards, and that didn't used to be a feature of our game.

Lewis has come in handy at filling-in in a good team in the last 2 seasons, but, he's one of several liabilities at the moment - by no means the worst of those available but the lad is suffering as much as anyone else in the present squad. Others are flattering to deceive, and some have lost confidence and look like they're wearing lead boots.

Let's hope the messiah - Pep - can work us some magic on Sunday.......we'll need it!
 
Next 3 games will be shite might get a bit better from then. The opposition only have to mark Haaland out of the game at the moment, our players can’t find him and offer no threat themselves. The rags,PSG and Villa will pick us off.
 

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