Karim Rekik

[Tbilisi]

Just got back in the house switched on PSV as I'd forgotton to record it, saw it was 1-0 64th minute Rekik comes rushing out too late, stranded . Then a geezer runs straight past him in the box but fucks up his shot, then he comes rushing out again too late & is stranded.

All in the space of a minute. Since then PSV have mainly had the ball. Oh Vitesse just ran past his mates as if they weren't there & hit the post. How the fuck is this 1-0 ?

The art of defending is secondary....most look great coming out with the ball but havent got a clue about winning a challenge.

Think thats the big thing for Rekik and Denayer to get their heads round,Boyata the same except he is clueless coming out with the ball.

I wonder do clubs employ a Martin Keown type who teach them to defend....would have thought Manuel would know a thing or two.Some of them look like they are scared of breaking their hair ;)

 

[Neville Kneville]

Just got back in the house switched on PSV as I'd forgotton to record it, saw it was 1-0 64th minute Rekik comes rushing out too late, stranded . Then a geezer runs straight past him in the box but fucks up his shot, then he comes rushing out again too late & is stranded.

All in the space of a minute. Since then PSV have mainly had the ball. Oh Vitesse just ran past his mates as if they weren't there & hit the post. How the fuck is this 1-0 ?

The art of defending is secondary....most look great coming out with the ball but havent got a clue about winning a challenge.

Think thats the big thing for Rekik and Denayer to get their heads round,Boyata the same except he is clueless coming out with the ball.

I wonder do clubs employ a Martin Keown type who teach them to defend....would have thought Manuel would know a thing or two.Some of them look like they are scared of breaking their hair ;)

Ha (2-0 now should be 8-4).

I couldn't agree more. Keown himself has written about how the art of defending is disappearing in football. Even Chelsea were at it yesterday & they have been one of the few teams left in the world who are good at it.

What this lad is learning in this league, I've no idea. I think Boyata has been a bit unlucky btw & had a bit of a raw deal. But he has the physical ability to do the job if someone can (quickly) get it into his brain. Too many mistakes as it stands. Rekik I think has lost all his pace as he's grown & has to somehow find a way to compensate. Pity. I had him down as a possible world star.

Spurs & Liverpool demonstrating the point.

 

[Centurions]

Not at all. Typically though, a discussion is about facts, and events.

Not bullshit hypothesising whether or not he made the right decision based on even greater levels of bullshit and hearsay.

I try to be as level-headed as any around here, but I have to say I think you've got it wrong.

I think courtrooms are the place for discussing facts and events. Online message boards are the perfect venue for bullshit hypothesizing. Just don't present your bullshit as writ and I think it's harmless to say "I feel like he's made a mistake in his decision making choosing PSV..." etc.

I guess the thing that i disagree with is slating a kid for apparently turning down all these other great loan offers - when we have no idea whether or not there were a) any to begin with or b) if there were what the details were.

The questioning of his decision only started after someone posted a tweet (a tweet for fucks sake) saying he turned down Milan and Marseille.

Here's a selection of responses

i don't think he has chosen well and in all probability,against advice.

Its a bit of a double edged for sure,however,he has chosen the easy option for me.

he *is* playing in a micky mouse league whether you want to admit it or not.

'm still thinking this loan is pretty much a waste of time though,its not progression in my opinion......

A really tough season in Italy, with some sinister baldy fucker next to him hissing at him when he runs out of position & teaching him how to be a complete bastard, would have been worth 3 seasons in Holland.

That's my concern with Rekik,has he chosen easy street? and what does that say about his character?
I might be doing him a huge injustice but I really am struggling with the logic,or ambition..... of returning to a sub standard environment.

All of that based on a tweet which may or may not have any degree of truth to it.

Maybe it is true. Maybe it isn't. Who knows? Definitely not the people on this thread thats for sure.

And this last quote takes the proverbial

My beef with it is people bullshitting. He hasn't done anything to deserve the rep he's been given & people keep coming on just basically making shit up about his performances.

- when the same poster feels free to simply "make shit up" about the "facts" about what led him to make his loan decision.

To extend the cake analogy - you can't have your cake and eat it too...

I have no beef either way but looking at those quotes they all look like personal opinions to me.
Sorry, but if you think that little lot proves you right in some way then I'm afraid it's failed miserably. Best you just leave it really.

 

[Hungarian blue]

Watched most of the game, I think he had a quite solid game, although for large parts Vitesse didn't offer too much threat (the first half was a borefest until the 40th minute). He had a few good tackles, a blocked shot and only fouled once which is good considering how raw he can be sometimes. What I noticed is that PSV had trouble coming out from their own half as Vitesse pressed, so Rekik had to play a long ball under pressure, and he wasn't accurate at it. The one time he found an attacker with a nice long ball to get him through on goal, the forward was clearly offside.

All in all, a good game but that was not the hardest test for PSV, even though Vitesse had a few great moments. But Nev is quite right about the defending in the Dutch league - they, erhm... often don't take it too seriously to say the very least. Good thing is that they maintained a clean sheet for two games in a row now (they went through to the Europa League on Thursday, Rekik played the whole game too).

Also, Luuk de Jong looks shit so far even in that league, not only in Bundesliga or the PL. :) Still scored a goal though.

I wanted to say also that as I will type this Nev will give a better explanation on what we saw in that game and how horribly shit Rekik was actually, but he was faster already. :)

 

[FantasyIreland]

All in all, a good game but that was not the hardest test for PSV

That's the problem,there wont be many others either.

I just cant see him returning an improved defender,the challenge and learning curve isn't steep enough IMO....(for the sake of billy......)

 

[Neville Kneville]

Watched most of the game, I think he had a quite solid game, although for large parts Vitesse didn't offer too much threat (the first half was a borefest until the 40th minute). He had a few good tackles, a blocked shot and only fouled once which is good considering how raw he can be sometimes. What I noticed is that PSV had trouble coming out from their own half as Vitesse pressed, so Rekik had to play a long ball under pressure, and he wasn't accurate at it. The one time he found an attacker with a nice long ball to get him through on goal, the forward was clearly offside.

All in all, a good game but that was not the hardest test for PSV, even though Vitesse had a few great moments. But Nev is quite right about the defending in the Dutch league - they, erhm... often don't take it too seriously to say the very least. Good thing is that they maintained a clean sheet for two games in a row now (they went through to the Europa League on Thursday, Rekik played the whole game too).

Also, Luuk de Jong looks shit so far even in that league, not only in Bundesliga or the PL. :) Still scored a goal though.

I wanted to say also that as I will type this Nev will give a better explanation on what we saw in that game and how horribly shit Rekik was actually, but he was faster already. :)

I mentioned the incidents as I saw them live. Didn't watch anything earlier than 64th minute so for all I know, he could have been Bobby Moore, but I typed what I saw as it happened.

I thought the defences on both sides were very very poor indeed from the time I started watching, all 8 players, not just Rekik, but he is our player so obviously I'm watching him specifically. Could have been great earlier in the game, didn't see it.

 

[shroom]

Here's a brief clip of the goal Holland U21's allowed yesterday in losing 0-1 to Georgia. Watch Rekik - #4. He sets up in the wall and when the goal mouth scramble starts he just stands there like a tree until the player who eventually scores waltzes past him to knock the ball home. He does stuff like this at PSV all the time and its soooo frustrating to see. bah

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[supercity88]

I wonder whether football is about to go full cycle. I totally agree that players need to have the basic techniques to be able to pass out from the back and start attacks. But they need to defend first and foremost. We've seen players like Lescott who are very good old school defenders, they can win physical battles and with a deeper defence can do all the right things. But ask them to read the game and be proactive rather than reactive and they struggle. Ask them to pass the ball more than 5 yards and they also struggle. I think Guardiola believes that the best way to keep a clean sheet is to keep the ball for 90mins. If the other team don't have the ball they can't score. But we all know that isn't always the way - anything can happen and whilst Bayern didn't keep the ball well against Real last season, they were hammered because they aren't actually that good defensively when teams have the ball and get at them.

It's quite fortunate that despite their low transfer fees and the stage the club were at when we bought them, Zabaleta and Kompany are excellent defenders and also very good at bringing the ball forward and passing out from the back. Mangala is someone who most definitely has the latter attributes, I am not 100% on his defensive ability yet. But he reads the game very well. The jury is out on Rekik from my point of view. I still think Nastasic has the better overall attributes, and has performed better against tougher opposition. But Nasty is an "old fashioned" defender who reacts to the situation in front of him. That isn't how it works at the top level - even the goalkeeper needs to be proactive and read the game to sweep the play.

 

[EllisMCFC]

Somebody please explain to me about Karim Rekik and why he's still at City (actually on loan).Decent Player don't know why City won't just sell him to PSV for 3.5 million like for Emyr Huws it's not like we'll ever use him since we have Mangala and Nasty waiting in the wings. He's to good for EDS but won't play for Man City first team and he's spent 1 and half years with PSV and it seems they like him. So I'd say see if PSV are interested in buying just like City did for HUWS

 

[Centurions]

Somebody please explain to me about Karim Rekik and why he's still at City (actually on loan).Decent Player don't know why City won't just sell him to PSV for 3.5 million like for Emyr Huws it's not like we'll ever use him since we have Mangala and Nasty waiting in the wings. He's to good for EDS but won't play for Man City first team and he's spent 1 and half years with PSV and it seems they like him. So I'd say see if PSV are interested in buying just like City did for HUWS

Where does this 'we' come from bud?

 

[spinzer]

Somebody please explain to me about Karim Rekik and why he's still at City (actually on loan).Decent Player don't know why City won't just sell him to PSV for 3.5 million like for Emyr Huws it's not like we'll ever use him since we have Mangala and Nasty waiting in the wings. He's to good for EDS but won't play for Man City first team and he's spent 1 and half years with PSV and it seems they like him. So I'd say see if PSV are interested in buying just like City did for HUWS

Sheesh i mean sometimes...
I'm quite confident his value is above 3.5 million and if we do wind up selling him, it most likely won't be to PSV. Bigger clubs would gladly take a punt at him like Milan it seems.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Somebody please explain to me about Karim Rekik and why he's still at City (actually on loan).Decent Player don't know why City won't just sell him to PSV for 3.5 million like for Emyr Huws it's not like we'll ever use him since we have Mangala and Nasty waiting in the wings. He's to good for EDS but won't play for Man City first team and he's spent 1 and half years with PSV and it seems they like him. So I'd say see if PSV are interested in buying just like City did for HUWS

Sheesh i mean sometimes...
I'm quite confident his value is above 3.5 million and if we do wind up selling him, it most likely won't be to PSV. Bigger clubs would gladly take a punt at him like Milan it seems.

It's likely he will want to go there as he has become part of their team. Probably not for much more money than that unless he has a fantastic improvement. That would be a fair bit of money for them.

But we don't have to do anything at all at the moment. He is happy & playing regularly, so we can watch him & see how he progresses then make & decision. If we decide he has a future at City we bring him back, if not we cash in. So long as we don't fuck him about & are seen to be looking after him properly.

It's not out of the question we could eventually part ex him for one of PSV's young attacking players. He could put us in the driving seat for one of their best youngsters.

 

[morganporny]

Sheesh, someone ban this Elliswum character, and Neville Kneville from any youth centre-half threads so his obsessions don't destroy the threads.

 

[morganporny]

< destroying the thread

 

[spinzer]

Sheesh, someone ban this Elliswum character, and Neville Kneville from any youth centre-half threads so his obsessions don't destroy the threads.

Nah, we usually appreciate his input on other youth threads ;)

 

[Neville Kneville]

Sheesh, someone ban this Elliswum character, and Neville Kneville from any youth centre-half threads so his obsessions don't destroy the threads.

Yeah that's it, stop people from discussing players honestly so that wankers like you can just read the bits you prefer rather than actually assessing a player & deciding what's good or bad about him.

What's your contribution to the thread been ?

Answer: ABSOLUTELY FUCK ALL.

Have you posted ANYTHING god or bad about the player, that is any use to anybody, at any time ? Fucking NO.

Would there be any fucking point in having a thread about any player if shithouses like you were allowed to police it ? Answer NO.

If you have an opinion on the player, fucking tell everyone what you think & why.

Insted you contribute nothing, & try to get others banned, just FUCK OFF and mind your own fucking business you useless bag of shite.

 

[FantasyIreland]

Fucking LOL Nev......i'm not sure you got your message across though;-)

 

[Neville Kneville]

Fucking LOL Nev......i'm not sure you got your message across though;-)

I'm sick of these wankers trying to censor people.

I don't care if people want to argue with me but this kind of shit does my head in. What's the point of having a forum if turds like that get their way.

I wouldn't mind but I've not even said anything bad about Rekik in the last post he's complaining about. I'm advocating giving him more fucking time !

 

[FantasyIreland]

Youre a good,if outspoken,contributor Nev.I agree with you regarding opinion,too many get on their high horse when they decide theirs hold more water.

Keep up the good work but don't get yourself in mither!

 

[Neville Kneville]

Youre a good,if outspoken,contributor Nev.I agree with you regarding opinion,too many get on their high horse when they decide theirs hold more water.

Keep up the good work but don't get yourself in mither!

Cheers for the nice words.

Like I say, I don't mind if people want to rip my opinions to bits & call me whatever they like on that, but questioning my right to post an opinion or making out I have some kind of vendetta going on. I can't be doing with it.

If we look at our current young centre backs, including Nastasic, then we look at Mangala's debut. There's a bit of a fucking difference !

That's the level we should be aiming for our central defenders to be at, in a few years time, not Johnny Evans. These kids really have to go some if they are to reach the level we are aiming for. That's the reality.