Keir Starmer

Italy Germany and Japan together with Argentina and a myriad of other countries have got an even bigger problem with their flags, should they change too?

Our flags don't need reclaiming mate, they are not solely in possession of the far right, and never have been.
I think you'll find that Germany no longer uses the Swastika on a red background as its national flag, and Italy no longer has the fascist symbol on its flag.

The only argument for changing the UJ is that it does not represent Wales. We could add a dragon. However, I still say it needs to be reclaimed. For a long time, you rarely saw it except at NF marches. People remember those days.
 
We don't need to change them mate we need to just have the flag and accept it/them as what they are, flags that everyone uses to signify unity. It amazes me that as soon as a flag comes out some people get all worked up and feel the need to tell everyone else to not display one.

Rainbow flags, union flags and flags to show an allegiance even to a football club. Remember when the halfwits tried to get our city flag changed because of a boat?

Should all countries change their flags to prevent people from being triggered and upset?

I don't own a flag but if I did own one and decided to bang one up in my front garden it would be an England one and just underneath that one a British one but right at the top would be a City one taking pride of place :)
Nobody gets worked up by flags and nobody tells anyone they don't need to display them. It's the same with poppies. The hard right pretent there is an issue when there isn't one and a lie becomes the truth.
 
I think you'll find that Germany no longer uses the Swastika on a red background as its national flag, and Italy no longer has the fascist symbol on its flag.

The only argument for changing the UJ is that it does not represent Wales. We could add a dragon. However, I still say it needs to be reclaimed. For a long time, you rarely saw it except at NF marches. People remember those days.

You'll find that comparing the British/English flag to a Swastika wont gain much purchase in relation to your cause. Did our fascists change our flag that we use nationally?

A tiny minority of people used the flag for nefarious reasons and you know that.
 
Nobody gets worked up by flags and nobody tells anyone they don't need to display them. It's the same with poppies. The hard right pretent there is an issue when there isn't one and a lie becomes the truth.

People want to change the flag, call people flag shaggers for wanting to display them.

Do keep up.
 
You'll find that comparing the British/English flag to a Swastika wont gain much purchase in relation to your cause. Did our fascists change our flag that we use nationally?
You mentioned Germany and Italy, not me, and asked whether they should change their flags. As it happens, they did.

If you want a flag to be our symbol, it has to unite us all. A flag that is seen as divisive (in some quarters) will require work. You cannot compel, you have to persuade. Personally, I don't give a toss either way. But plenty do care, just as much as you do, but with an opposite view. They are British too.
 
You mentioned Germany and Italy, not me, and asked whether they should change their flags. As it happens, they did.

If you want a flag to be our symbol, it has to unite us all. A flag that is seen as divisive (in some quarters) will require work. You cannot compel, you have to persuade. Personally, I don't give a toss either way. But plenty do care, just as much as you do, but with an opposite view. They are British too.


They didn't change their flag they reverted back to the one they already had, again you know that. Some people like to dress this country up as a fascist state and other people aren't having it.

I say have a vote on it, but that'll just cement my view and we will keep the flags we have. Just because other people move here to live doesn't mean that we have to change to facilitate, they moved here because we are what we are.

Again, every country has a flag and so do we.
 

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