Keir Starmer

Shaelumstash said:
Ahh, the old "anyone who doesn't support Corbyn is a Tory" conspiracy! lol

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The problem with cults is, none of the members realise they're in one until after they've left.
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The Gecko in Fumble's echo chamber.
 
Ban-jani said:
That’s not neoliberalism.

Blairite politics involves a big safety net for people, mass investment in public services etc. whilst having a competitive private sector.

Neoliberalism is leaving everything to the market.

It would be Osbourne’s period of Chancellorship, if he’d have binned the NHS completely, in favour of private hospitals and an American system.
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I tend to think of liberalism as the extent of rules and controls but not the size of the state. So in theory you can have a far left government that is very liberal i.e. lots of taxation and public services but few rules and regulation or intervention with peoples private lives.

The political extremes tend to be associated with totalitarian / authoritative regimes as they like lots of rules / control but you don't need them. You also get political extremes tied in with other quirky cult like belief systems, the far right and the Christian right in the US is a good example and again that doesn't gel with the liberal / free to do what you want approach. Neoliberal does tend to associate with free market thinking but nothing to stop you having a massive public health and education system and then still being neoliberal.
 
The positions in the Shadow Cabinet are:

  • Keir Starmer, Leader of the Opposition
  • Angela Rayner, Deputy Leader and Chair of the Labour Party
  • Anneliese Dodds, Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer
  • Lisa Nandy, Shadow Foreign Secretary
  • Nick Thomas-Symonds, Shadow Home Secretary
  • Rachel Reeves, Shadow Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster
  • David Lammy, Shadow Justice Secretary
  • John Healey, Shadow Defence Secretary
  • Ed Miliband, Shadow Business, Energy and Industrial Secretary
  • Emily Thornberry, Shadow International Trade Secretary
  • Jonathan Reynolds, Shadow Work and Pensions Secretary
  • Jonathan Ashworth, Shadow Secretary of State for Health and Social Care
  • Rebecca Long-Bailey, Shadow Education Secretary
  • Jo Stevens, Shadow Digital, Culture, Media and Sport
  • Bridget Philipson, Shadow Chief Secretary to the Treasury
  • Luke Pollard, Shadow Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Secretary
  • Steve Reed, Shadow Communities and Local Government Secretary
  • Thangam Debbonaire, Shadow Housing Secretary
  • Jim McMahon, Shadow Transport Secretary
  • Preet Kaur Gill, Shadow International Development Secretary
  • Louise Haigh, Shadow Northern Ireland Secretary (interim)
  • Ian Murray, Shadow Scotland Secretary
  • Nia Griffith, Shadow Wales Secretary
  • Marsha de Cordova, Shadow Women and Equalities Secretary
  • Andy McDonald, Shadow Employment Rights and Protections Secretary
  • Rosena Allin-Khan, Shadow Minister for Mental Health
  • Cat Smith, Shadow Minister for Young People and Voter Engagement
  • Lord Falconer, Shadow Attorney General
  • Valerie Vaz, Shadow Leader of the House
  • Nick Brown, Opposition Chief Whip
  • Baroness Smith, Shadow Leader of the Lords
  • Lord McAvoy, Lords’ Opposition Chief Whip
 
urban genie said:
The positions in the Shadow Cabinet are:

  • Keir Starmer, Leader of the Opposition
  • Angela Rayner, Deputy Leader and Chair of the Labour Party
  • Anneliese Dodds, Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer
  • Lisa Nandy, Shadow Foreign Secretary
  • Nick Thomas-Symonds, Shadow Home Secretary
  • Rachel Reeves, Shadow Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster
  • David Lammy, Shadow Justice Secretary
  • John Healey, Shadow Defence Secretary
  • Ed Miliband, Shadow Business, Energy and Industrial Secretary
  • Emily Thornberry, Shadow International Trade Secretary
  • Jonathan Reynolds, Shadow Work and Pensions Secretary
  • Jonathan Ashworth, Shadow Secretary of State for Health and Social Care
  • Rebecca Long-Bailey, Shadow Education Secretary
  • Jo Stevens, Shadow Digital, Culture, Media and Sport
  • Bridget Philipson, Shadow Chief Secretary to the Treasury
  • Luke Pollard, Shadow Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Secretary
  • Steve Reed, Shadow Communities and Local Government Secretary
  • Thangam Debbonaire, Shadow Housing Secretary
  • Jim McMahon, Shadow Transport Secretary
  • Preet Kaur Gill, Shadow International Development Secretary
  • Louise Haigh, Shadow Northern Ireland Secretary (interim)
  • Ian Murray, Shadow Scotland Secretary
  • Nia Griffith, Shadow Wales Secretary
  • Marsha de Cordova, Shadow Women and Equalities Secretary
  • Andy McDonald, Shadow Employment Rights and Protections Secretary
  • Rosena Allin-Khan, Shadow Minister for Mental Health
  • Cat Smith, Shadow Minister for Young People and Voter Engagement
  • Lord Falconer, Shadow Attorney General
  • Valerie Vaz, Shadow Leader of the House
  • Nick Brown, Opposition Chief Whip
  • Baroness Smith, Shadow Leader of the Lords
  • Lord McAvoy, Lords’ Opposition Chief Whip
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No Jess Philips?
 
BJL_City said:
Long-Bailey, education, ouch. That's the indoctrination cult in full swing.

Lammy in justice, deary me.
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Long-Bailey at education is a disastrous move, unless he's trying to be too clever, knowing it's a brief that will expose her shortcoming faster than a very fast thing.

Same with Lammy, but he's more of a pc sound bite oaf.
 
urban genie said:
The positions in the Shadow Cabinet are:

  • Keir Starmer, Leader of the Opposition
  • Angela Rayner, Deputy Leader and Chair of the Labour Party
  • Anneliese Dodds, Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer
  • Lisa Nandy, Shadow Foreign Secretary
  • Nick Thomas-Symonds, Shadow Home Secretary
  • Rachel Reeves, Shadow Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster
  • David Lammy, Shadow Justice Secretary
  • John Healey, Shadow Defence Secretary
  • Ed Miliband, Shadow Business, Energy and Industrial Secretary
  • Emily Thornberry, Shadow International Trade Secretary
  • Jonathan Reynolds, Shadow Work and Pensions Secretary
  • Jonathan Ashworth, Shadow Secretary of State for Health and Social Care
  • Rebecca Long-Bailey, Shadow Education Secretary
  • Jo Stevens, Shadow Digital, Culture, Media and Sport
  • Bridget Philipson, Shadow Chief Secretary to the Treasury
  • Luke Pollard, Shadow Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Secretary
  • Steve Reed, Shadow Communities and Local Government Secretary
  • Thangam Debbonaire, Shadow Housing Secretary
  • Jim McMahon, Shadow Transport Secretary
  • Preet Kaur Gill, Shadow International Development Secretary
  • Louise Haigh, Shadow Northern Ireland Secretary (interim)
  • Ian Murray, Shadow Scotland Secretary
  • Nia Griffith, Shadow Wales Secretary
  • Marsha de Cordova, Shadow Women and Equalities Secretary
  • Andy McDonald, Shadow Employment Rights and Protections Secretary
  • Rosena Allin-Khan, Shadow Minister for Mental Health
  • Cat Smith, Shadow Minister for Young People and Voter Engagement
  • Lord Falconer, Shadow Attorney General
  • Valerie Vaz, Shadow Leader of the House
  • Nick Brown, Opposition Chief Whip
  • Baroness Smith, Shadow Leader of the Lords
  • Lord McAvoy, Lords’ Opposition Chief Whip
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See that clown Mike Amesbury has been ditched.
 
Gaudion M said:
This is a BS view.

How is Kier who is very much soft left - bang in the middle of the spectrum of labour supporters a cult figure. He is a bit too left for me as i'm a Blairite centrist. If a proper blairite won the nomination then yes you could say that there were two cults at work but the reason that Keir won a landslide is he is Soft left and a Corbyn ally. He held a high position in Corbyns cabinet as he was trusted by the cult, be he was never part of it but neither was he part of anything else. There were plenty of centrist labour members who were considering leaving the party but Keir was not part of that. He was the stand out candidate because he was quite clearly appealing across the full spectrum of the party not to either extreme.

Any way Burgon has just been given the boot - yipee.
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Sadly I also regard your view as BS, sorry.
 
The perfect fumble said:
Blairite centrist? This is Orwellian! Blairite centrists, as you call them, are not at the centre of anything, it's akin to saying an apple is at the centre between an orange and a banana.
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Some people always regard their view as the centre and therefore unassailably correct. Leave them to it.
 
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