Keir Starmer

He seems a pleasant chap and come the election we may just vote for him. Unsure how he feels a penny drop in income tax helps out the working man in 2022? A £1.30 a week saving doesn't cut the ice no matter which way up you look at it.

He dances the dance gingerly and goes out of his way to appease the electorate with par eqsuisite soundbites, but on an electoral nature this man does appear to have legs. I particularly like the fact his party members are now singing their bollocks off for king and for country. That sits ever so well with me and maybe it was meant to.

Voted Conservative all my life but in this rudderless economic playing field would very easily scratch my mark into the red corner. I feel if we went to the polls tommorow then a Labour government would landslide it.
 
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robbieh said:
While Keir might not be everyone's cup of tea, and certainly isn't mine, I think everyone should be backing him and his party.
The current government and Indeed the party they represent are malign, bordering on evil. They need to be removed. Proportional representation brought in so a Tory government never governs our country again.
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Mr Kobayashi said:
I don't think I've ever seen it in parts, if I want to watch propaganda I want some heroic music and theatre thrown in. Was obviously a hatchet job so was never interested.I
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Aside from the odd clip I've never seen it myself. None of that counters the fact that the BBC saw,fit to broadcast a documentary of such bias.
Mr Kobayashi said:
If the Friends of Israel could just fuck off to the promised land and stop infecting our domestic politics with that shite it would be nice.
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The elephant in the room
 
Bigga said:
And this is how dense you are! You're so dense, it's shocking!

I expected politics to be fair. For politicians to stand on their merits and ACTUAL journalists to be as impartial as possible in reporting pros and cons of those standing. But this is never the case, is it?

Both Sanders and Corbyn were marginalised (Corbyn for antisemitism and Sanders for sexism AND antisemitism even though he's Jewish!) for promoted buffoons and then other more business orientated politicians inserted in false choices.

As you know (or don't, clearly), the MSM shoved these idiots down the throat of the people to vote against their best interests and look where the world is now.

But, I'm travelling an extremely tiresome old road with you...
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Why on earth would you be so naive to think like that?

The world isn't fair and some of the most ruthless and poisonous individuals in this country work in politics and/or journalism (some like Boris do both).

It’s just idealism.
 
Postman Pep said:
Aside from the odd clip I've never seen it myself. None of that counters the fact that the BBC saw,fit to broadcast a documentary of such bias.

The elephant in the room
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No it doesn't, but unfortunately they think they have to follow the tabloids. If only they had just spent the budget for this hit piece on making long form stuff for the news channel or a lesser covered topic on panorama.

I'd be surprised if they weren't as internally flawed as they were when they twice recruited a fraudster.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
Why on earth would you be so naive to think like that?

The world isn't fair and some of the most ruthless and poisonous individuals in this country work in politics and/or journalism (some like Boris do both).

It’s just idealism.
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It's not naivety though, is it?

We've, literally, seen journalism tank in the last 10-15 years beyond what it's been before. It's no longer being the first to report the news, it's now who's the first to sensationalise. It feels clicks/ rating based. More salacious than ever where facts seems secondary and lies are sold as the truth.

The fact that BloJo was ever employed after being sacked as a journo is down to nepotism and Eton contacts.

The only idealism we should want is journalistic integrity and that is very rare to find in the MSM these days.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
If the Friends of Israel could just fuck off to the promised land and stop infecting our domestic politics with that shite it would be nice.
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If you were to tell any Jewish member of the Friends of Israel, or any Jewish Brit for that matter, to "fuck off to the promised land and stop infecting our domestic politics with that shite" you would be accused of being antisemitic. Here is the relevant paragraph in the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA) definition of antisemitism, that both the British government and the Labour Party have signed up to...
  • Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
https://www.holocaustremembrance.co...ions-charters/working-definition-antisemitism
 
The perfect fumble said:
If you were to accuse any Jewish member of the Friends of Israel, or any Jewish Brit for that matter, to "fuck off to the promised land and stop infecting our domestic politics with that shite" you would be accused of being antisemitic. Here is the relevant paragraph in the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA) definition of antisemitism, that both the British government and the Labour Party have signed up to...
  • Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
https://www.holocaustremembrance.co...ions-charters/working-definition-antisemitism
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Yes I know. But the request includes non Jewish zionists and excludes non-zionist jews.

I don't care if someone has irrenditialist views (Russian, Italian, Albanian whatever), but if their nationalist poison can't respect the westphalian sovereignty of their host, then they should fuck off and take it elsewhere.
 
There needs to be more flags on the conference stage, every attendee should be given a flag to wave and union jack hats should be worn at all times.

Labour may as well go full Nuremburg rally
 
robbieh said:
While Keir might not be everyone's cup of tea, and certainly isn't mine, I think everyone should be backing him and his party.
The current government and Indeed the party they represent are malign, bordering on evil. They need to be removed. Proportional representation brought in so a Tory government never governs our country again.
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That doesnt make much sense unless Labour have pledged to change our voting system and I've missed it.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
Yes I know. But the request includes non Jewish zionists and excludes non-zionist jews.

I don't care if someone has irrenditialist views (Russian, Italian, Albanian whatever), but if their nationalist poison can't respect the westphalian sovereignty of their host, then they should fuck off and take it elsewhere.
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While I agree with much of that, I take a different tack.

We don't have a written constitution in this country, we've tended to muddle through, amending common law as we go, recognising difference but accentuating commonality whenever we could, no revolutions here, no experiments with extremes and until recently it served us well.

Not so much now.

For many Jewish Brits their Jewishness is inextricably linked to Zionism, the support for a homeland for the Jewish people. This is perfectly understandable, I know Jewish folk who believe it's not possible to be Jewish and not unequivocally support a homeland, that's why we're seeing the rise of "unacceptable" Jews being thrown out of the Labour Party, Jews who recognise a competing claim to that homeland, and of course we've had the whole antisemitic smear shit that did for Corbyn.

So a dichotomy does exist for many Jewish Brits, but it rarely came to a head in the past because all parties chose for it not to, that was the British way. British bumbling along with as little fuss as possible was the envy of much of the world as they were convulsed with revolutions, strident nationalism, political violence or strait jacketed into ponderous constitutions written long ago.

But now we're in what side are you on country, no more muddle through, we have codified definitions of antisemitism now and lo and behold! Lots of lovely rational people find themselves on the wrong side of it. Really handy these codes if you're in the purge business, get one side to write em up and castigate all those who disagree.
 
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Postman Pep said:
Ok I'll rephrase it. He's ruled out the possibility of it being in the next manifesto.
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Which doesn't mean it won't come up and be taken up. Circumstances change when they see the make up of the next parliament. I'm sure it wasn't in Camerons manifesto last time we had a vote on it.
 
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