Keir Starmer

robbieh said:
I know they haven't yet but they may need to get the Lib Dems, Greens on side
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We have been down that route. If they don't believe in changing it they don't believe in fairness. They want power even if they don't have sufficient support of the people. He's in it for himself and the long-term future of the country is a side issue.

They're like the tories but just with a different demographic.

When I say they I mean those on his team rather than the Labour Party in general.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Lots of words. Your inaction/inability allows the chances of a Tory victory at the next election, doesn't it?

Now, in an ideal world, I’d love to take all you’ve said into consideration whilst voting, but if I did that and voted Green or for whoever, it means the Tories are more likely to get in than if I voted Labour.
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How many votes do you get? Bloody hell I only get 1:-)
 
Let's party like it's 1997

Things Can Only Get Better....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63037696

Labour conference: Starmer to quote Tony Blair in pitch for power​


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Labour is back in the centre ground of British politics and ready to offer the country a "fresh start" under his leadership, Sir Keir Starmer will say.
In his speech to his party's annual conference, Sir Keir will claim to have transformed Labour into a party in tune with the majority of voters.

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Third way here we go......again!
 
The perfect fumble said:
Without a left in the Party, who's going to stop Labour turning into the US Democrats?
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There was some interesting research about values of MPs, members and voters a while back. I've seen some where Labour MPs views are actually to the left of most of their members, but this one still gives a good idea:

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Labour MPs appear to be pretty much in tune economically with the people who vote for them, and their members, and while they're left of all voters, they're still within touching distance.

If you Google those left/right political compass charts, The Democrats would be economically well to the right - not too far from the Tory party - while Labour is well to the left. If you look at the background of Labour MPs, so many are charity/voluntary sector, public sector, unions etc. These kind of people aren't going to turn into Tories just because Laura Pidcock isn't acting as some kind of moral conscience.

The disconnect between Tory MPs and the people who vote is the real problem.

ukandeu.ac.uk

Largest political parties out of touch with voters - UK in a changing Europe

Philip Cowley shares the outcomes from our Mind the values gap report, which shares that the Labour and Conservative party are out of touch with voters.
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The perfect fumble said:
Let's party like it's 1997

Things Can Only Get Better....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63037696

Labour conference: Starmer to quote Tony Blair in pitch for power​


_126859667_5957db22-ff23-4638-8323-6b70a22ff90a.jpg.webp


Labour is back in the centre ground of British politics and ready to offer the country a "fresh start" under his leadership, Sir Keir Starmer will say.
In his speech to his party's annual conference, Sir Keir will claim to have transformed Labour into a party in tune with the majority of voters.

.........................

Third way here we go......again!
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Blair tribute act could well get booed at conference.
 
The perfect fumble said:
Let's party like it's 1997

Things Can Only Get Better....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63037696

Labour conference: Starmer to quote Tony Blair in pitch for power​


_126859667_5957db22-ff23-4638-8323-6b70a22ff90a.jpg.webp


Labour is back in the centre ground of British politics and ready to offer the country a "fresh start" under his leadership, Sir Keir Starmer will say.
In his speech to his party's annual conference, Sir Keir will claim to have transformed Labour into a party in tune with the majority of voters.

.........................

Third way here we go......again!
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Worked last time for most people.
 
hilts said:
We have been down that route. If they don't believe in changing it they don't believe in fairness. They want power even if they don't have sufficient support of the people. He's in it for himself and the long-term future of the country is a side issue.

They're like the tories but just with a different demographic.

When I say they I mean those on his team rather than the Labour Party in general.
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The PR referendum held in 2011 was beaten 2:1
The Tories paid lip service to Clegg's crew to hold the referendum and helped make it a forgone conclusion that it would lose.

Could be the Starmer believes it's better/fairer but doesn't help to win the next GE.
Number 1 priority is to kick Thick Lizzy (if she's still there) and the rest out as soon as possible by as big a majority as possible.
There will be enough to do in the first term to stop the shitshow and start recovery, then get a second term to make things better all round.
 
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