Keir Starmer

[halfmist]

They promised to increase education spending, and did.

I can understand the need to avoid the Tory party that's tripled the national debt talking about a Labour magic money tree, but promising not to reverse the two-child benefit limit is daft.

For a start, it may be part of the reason for the falling birth rate. The Tory plan to reduce immigration is to have more Brits doing the jobs and the child benefit policy is a disincentive to having more Brits.

Families can have as many kids as they want, just don’t expect the tax payer to fund them.

 

[bluenova]

Families can have as many kids as they want, just don’t expect the tax payer to fund them.

Even if you think that's fair on the parents, you're punishing the kids for the actions of their parents.

There are plenty of reasons to disagree with the former - Many people seem to think of parents on benefits and out of work having more and more kids, when it's more likely to be a family in work, or a relationship breakdown, or job loss that forces families with more than two kids into this situation.

Not sure how anyone can justify the latter.

 

[Vic]

But they way they promised it was heavily caveated before the election.

The only commitments to spend were funded by cuts elsewhere (assisted places > reduced class sizes) - The main increase was to restore education spending to as much as it was in the past, and only if the economy grew.

If they simply answer yes to 'will you do x', then they end up writing their manifesto via media interviews. The hard-left twitterati and their 'evil Keith' memes are the useful idiots of the right.

It was the same in the 1990s - Blair was a Tory and they're all the same, so why vote for Labour?

It doesn't feel anything like 1997. Things can only be stopped from getting even worse.

That said, the gap between Major's Tories and Blair is probably as wide as between Sunak's fascists and Starmer.

They are absolutely not the same.

 

[Vic]

Families can have as many kids as they want, just don’t expect the tax payer to fund them.

Oh right. Most people getting chiid benefit pay tax, so it's effectively an allowance for not depopulating the country.

 

[Grassland Blue]

Families can have as many kids as they want, just don’t expect the tax payer to fund them.

What if a couple have a single child, then the next pregnancy yields twins or triplets?

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Anybody know how the polling is going in the by-elections?

 

[ganganvince]

Anybody know how the polling is going in the by-elections?

It's supposed to be a secret.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

It's supposed to be a secret.

Bugger. Don’t they ask them on the way out?

 

[ganganvince]

Bugger. Don’t they ask them on the way out?

Yes but they not allowed to tell us till 10pm.

 

[BrianW]

We actually need more children, not fewer. Our failure as a nation to replace ourselves is one of the roots of large-scale immigration, which strangely, the people who dislike subsidising children tend to dislike.

Secondly, child poverty leads to crime, disaffection and low educational outcomes none of which are a Good Thing.

There is this concept called 'Enlightened Self-Interest.' It seems to be over the heads of many or even most in this country.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Families can have as many kids as they want, just don’t expect the tax payer to fund them.

And yet, those very kids are needed to replace the retiring working population, that otherwise needs imported labour.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Anybody know how the polling is going in the by-elections?

Sh.
Farage hasn’t got an elite bank account……..
JSO are rabid fanatics.
Inflation is down.
BBC is full of nonces.
Boats, boats, boats.
Mention these as often as possible but don’t mention by elections or missing mobile phones.
The client journalists have, sadly, completely taken over…

 

[ganganvince]

We actually need more children, not fewer. Our failure as a nation to replace ourselves is one of the roots of large-scale immigration, which strangely, the people who dislike subsidising children tend to dislike.

Secondly, child poverty leads to crime, disaffection and low educational outcomes none of which are a Good Thing.

There is this concept called 'Enlightened Self-Interest.' It seems to be over the heads of many or even most in this country.

Alternatively carousel style (Logans run) top the wrinklies.

 

[TinFoilHat]

Had a high profile labour party officer say hello on picket line today.

Labours national policy forum is being held in Nottingham over the weekend. I asked them if Keir was coming up on train from London tomorrow. He told me the glorious leader doesn't do train travel or other public transport "For security reasons."

Didn't seem to be an issue for his predecessor.

 

[BrianW]

'For security reasons' - the oldest cop-out in the book.

 

[TinFoilHat]

'For security reasons' - the oldest cop-out in the book.

I remember Nick Clegg being told to fuck off by a colleague many years ago when he demanded a first class coach to himself using the same excuse. The fuck off was telegraphed to him by a shy female lackey who asked on his behalf.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Had a high profile labour party officer say hello on picket line today.

Labours national policy forum is being held in Nottingham over the weekend. I asked them if Keir was coming up on train from London tomorrow. He told me the glorious leader doesn't do train travel or other public transport "For security reasons."

Didn't seem to be an issue for his predecessor.
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Telling porkie pies. My dad took a picture of him on the platform at Templemeads several weeks back.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Families can have as many kids as they want, just don’t expect the tax payer to fund them.

What a distasteful person you are.

 

[halfmist]

What a distasteful person you are.

Is that what you say to yourself when you look in the mirror.
But don’t take it personally one of your buddies has given you a thumbs up.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Is that what you say to yourself when you look in the mirror.
But don’t take it personally one of your buddies has given you a thumbs up.

You are a bit of a distasteful person, tbf, but probably only to those who actually care for others.

The reality is that we have an ageing population and not enough people to cover the surplus, therefore having to bring in people from overseas. Instead of encouraging ‘growth’, this government stifles it and I do wonder if many in the Cabinet are there just to bring down this country for their own means.

The question is, what will they get out of it, and to whom do they pander?