Khaldoon al Mubarak - the new Peter Swales?

Prestwich_Blue said:
selim said:
I am trying to remind you it is BUSINESS at the end of the day. He was ready to go when things were not going as planned so what is wrong with Khaldoon making his decision in the same professional way?
Hughes felt that he couldn't do his job properly under those circumstances. Somewhat different to being given a target, meeting it and still getting sacked.

Let's suppose you start a new job where you have been promised responsibility for recruitment. Yet when you start the job you find that your boss tells you who to hire and fire. Would you be happy?

Now suppose you start a job where you are given a target for recruitment. One or two deals go a bit wrong but you are generally on target. Then you're sacked because your boss says you weren't going to meet those targets even though your not even half-way through the financial year.

Both of them have lied to you. What's the difference?

The target was/is top 4,the top 6 statement came before the whole summer transfer period, Hughes himself said more than once the target is top four which is logic considering the amount of money spent and then you have a very weak liverpool side and those Platini plans aimed at the club.Do you really think we have time?no and Hughes was leading the club to be be 6th in the league table at best and then you will have the same media attacking the club now laughing at city and their stupid owners trusting Hughes and giving him millions while the 4th spot went to the hardworking AstonVilla,yes it can also happen with Mancini but if you look at our recent results and performance you know something had to be done,they took the right decision and i hope Mancini does not disappoint.
 
you're famous, you ***edit***dear old thing***edit***, you made the Guardian's sport media blog / column

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2009/dec/21/mark-hughes-manchester-city" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/20 ... ester-city</a>
For older fans, it recalled the days of the late chairman Peter Swales, a man who loved City but whose public pronouncements were only outdone in ridiculousness by his outrageous comb-over, which made Bobby Charlton look like a model for Laboratoire Garnier. As one fan posted on a City message board: "Swales has risen from the grave and his soul now inhabits a man from Abu Dhabi. But surely not even Swales – the man who sacked Mel Machin claiming he had 'no repartee with the fans' – would sack a man who took us to sixth place and a cup semi-final for the first time in 28 years?"


meanwhile, back in the serious columns, Joe Lovejoy uses his match report to articulate what you have been railing against for weeks....

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/dec/21/mark-hughes-manchester-city-sunderland" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009 ... sunderland</a>
If Old Trafford is the Theatre of Dreams, Manchester City play at the Comedy Store – 13 managers in the last 20 years, and it's the way they sack 'em. Mark Hughes's dismissal on Saturday was badly mismanaged, as was that of his predecessor, Sven-Goran Eriksson, and so many before them.

Eriksson suffered a lingering death, Hughes a sudden one at an inopportune time. If Sheikh Mansour and his flunkies wanted rid of the Welshman, why did they not do the dirty deed after that dire 3-0 defeat at Tottenham? What purpose was served by waiting until City played Sunderland at home, a match they were always likely to win?

It was apparent before Hughes went, and has been confirmed by fans' reaction since, that the board did not lack popular support in deciding a change was needed. Many shared their view that the progress made these past 18 months was insufficient, given the unprecedented funds made available and the calibre of players to hand. Well over £200m has been spent on transfers in that time, after which City should be doing better than jostling for position with Fulham and Birmingham. It is a personal view that any new manager should get two full seasons in which to prove his worth but there are exceptions to any rule and a strong case can be made for this being one.

It should not be forgotten that Hughes inherited a decent, competitive team from Eriksson. They were running fourth at Christmas two years ago, only to fall away badly and finish ninth. Before his first [and only] full season in charge, Hughes splashed out £125m on players including Jô (£18m), Nigel de Jong (£17m), Craig Bellamy (£14m) and Wayne Bridge (£12m), not forgetting Robinho (£32.5m), who we are told was not his idea. City finished a disappointing 10th, losing more games (18) than they won (15). Another money-no-object spree last summer brought in Emmanuel Adebayor (£25m), Carlos Tevez (£25m), Joleon Lescott (£22m), Roque Santa Cruz (£17.5m), Kolo Touré (£16m) and Gareth Barry (£12m) and, with Hughes's total outlay nudging £240m, the minimum expectation was qualification for Europe.

The new-look team won five of their first six matches in the Premier League but were flattering to deceive. Momentum was lost with a run of seven successive draws against humdrum opposition which pointed up the desperately fragile nature of City's defence. They conceded three goals against Burnley, Bolton and Spurs and the gag that they needed to score four to win became Keystone Cops reality on Saturday, when they led Sunderland 2-0 and 3-2 but required a fourth to emerge 4-3 victors.

Hughes's supporters point to the fact that his team had lost fewer games than all their rivals and were through to the semi-finals of the Carling Cup. His critics counter that successful sides are built from the back, and that City have managed only one clean sheet in their last 14 league matches. Progress in the Small Beer [aka Carling] Cup must also be kept in perspective. City beat Arsenal's reserves to get to the last four, having overcome mighty Scunthorpe in the previous round.

Hughes's farewell was typical of the curate's egg his team had become. City raced into a 2-0 lead, only for cat-on-a-hot-tin-roof defending to allow Sunderland to be back on level terms midway through a switchback first half. Bellamy, outstanding throughout, had City in front again before the interval but Kenwyne Jones equalised before Barry set up Santa Cruz for the winner. Informed of Hughes's fate after the game, a players' deputation went looking for the chief executive, Garry Cook, to protest. There are honourable exceptions [Shay Given and Bellamy spring immediately to mind], but the rest would have done better to back the manager where it mattered most – on the pitch.

Old "Sparky" extinguished, what of his successor? A lot is being made of the fact that Roberto Mancini has precious little experience of football in this country but how much did Arsène Wenger and José Mourinho have when they arrived?
 
I think PB now realises that when he stated his opinion, it was more out of emotion than reason.

His point still stands, but perhaps a better way of eloquenting it would have served the greater good.

Oh well, live and learn.
 
bizzbo said:
Prestwich_Blue said:
Now suppose you start a job where you are given a target for recruitment. One or two deals go a bit wrong but you are generally on target. Then you're sacked because your boss says you weren't going to meet those targets even though your not even half-way through the financial year.

Both of them have lied to you. What's the difference?

if I got a great start in my first month, then three bad months...if I was only just on target.... and my admin (read: defence) was in a mess.... well, you know. target schmarget.
Exactly.

I'd dare say in most of our jobs, if we had a run where we only achieved the desired result 1 of the previous 10 times of asking, we'd be in serious strife, no matter what targets we were meeting. The writing was on the wall.
 
selim said:
The target was/is top 4,
Watch my lips NO IT WASN'T At least not this season,

The club themselves said in the statement
Prior to the current season beginning, with significant investment in players and infrastructure in place, the consensus between the Board and coaching staff was that appropriate agreed targets should be set for the 2009/2010 season.

“The targets were agreed as a result of the player acquisition strategy of the club being radically accelerated in the summer as a result of very favourable conditions for any buying club. It was also based on the fact that the infrastructure of the club had been overhauled completely at great cost in order to create the best possible environment for the team.

“A return of two wins in 11 Premier League games is clearly not in line with the targets that were agreed and set.

However despite using the words "...clearly not in line with the targets..." they don't tell us what the target was. Hughes has said that it was top 6 or 70 points and I believe that. At the beginning of the season, having sanctioned the spend they did, the Chairman said top 6. Now all the revisionists are telling us it wasn't really top 6 it was top 4, WITH NO EVIDENCE WHATSOVER TO BACK IT UP.

But returning to the criticism I have had for this, I would stress that after reflection I mean it apart from on thing. Those of us who lived through the Swales era know that he sacked managers to take the heat off himself more often than not. Our current owners didn't need to do that; up to Saturday they'd done everything right in most people's books. But the PR disaster of the last 48 hours and has actually put the heat on them and no amount of bluster or rewriting of history from the Hughes-outers can change that simple fact.
 
But the PR disaster of the last 48 hours and has actually put the heat on them and no amount of bluster or rewriting of history from the Hughes-outers can change that simple fact.

PR disaster? Give it up fella. It might seem that way to you and some others at the moment but as has been repeatedly pointed out by the majority on here it will blow over in no time and it'll just be a minor story by the end of the season.
How often does Spurs sacking of Martin Jol on match day get mentioned now, had you even rememebered it at all until this weekend and the comparisons were made? I hadn't.

It wasn't the best way it could have been done but it's not a disaster for the club in anyway. (I like most thought MH should have been given to the summer at least - but what's done is done)
 

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