Lescott goal v Cheslea (offside?)

[marl0we]

Not a very important issue, but a mildly interesting one ...

Was Lescott definitely offside when he 'scored' at the weekend?

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Garcia's header is saved by Cech (while Lescott was in an offside position), the ball is then spilled to Mikel who tries to clear. His clearance hits Lescott and flies in. Is Lescott offside? A shot being blocked by one defender to another defender surely means the phase in which the attacker was offside is over, and the attacker is free to challenge for the ball again. Imagine the same situation but instead of blocking the ball, the first defender passes to the second. Surely then the attacker, who was originally offside, can rejoin the action?

I'm interested to hear your thoughts, especially anyone with refereeing qualifications.

And as I say it's not a hugely important problem, and I can see that it is at least a marginal decision and I can understand why he was ruled offside.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

This is just another area where FICKFUFA have buggered up a simple law. If the lino doesn't flag, and the ref doesn't blow then the save by Cech creates a new phase, but they ignore the opponent playing the ball and drag it back to phase one! Jole wasn't offside when Cech played the ball. It's another FICKFUFA lash up!

 

[ForzaMancini]

This is just another area where FICKFUFA have buggered up a simple law. If the lino doesn't flag, and the ref doesn't blow then the save by Cech creates a new phase, but they ignore the opponent playing the ball and drag it back to phase one! Jole wasn't offside when Cech played the ball. It's another FICKFUFA lash up!

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It's hard to tell whether he was onside or offside when Garcia headed the ball but he is certainly offside when Cech saves it.

 

[aguero93:20]

This is just another area where FICKFUFA have buggered up a simple law. If the lino doesn't flag, and the ref doesn't blow then the save by Cech creates a new phase, but they ignore the opponent playing the ball and drag it back to phase one! Jole wasn't offside when Cech played the ball. It's another FICKFUFA lash up!

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It's hard to tell whether he was onside or offside when Garcia headed the ball but he is certainly offside when Cech saves it.

It doesn't matter where he is when cech saves the ball, cech isn't a team-mate. onside for me but had money on 2-0 so don't give a flying **** tbh.

 

[Carver]

No mate, Lescott's not allowed to challenge Mikel for the ball since a rule change at the beginning of this season. If Lescott would have stood away from Mikel and let him clear it but he kicked the ball at Lescott from a distance then it ricocheted in then that would have been a contentious issue, but not this.

That's assuming that Joleon was in an offside position in the first instance, it's very tight.

 

[Marvin]

No mate, Lescott's not allowed to challenge Mikel for the ball since a rule change at the beginning of this season. If Lescott would have stood away from Mikel and let him clear it but he kicked the ball at Lescott from a distance then it ricocheted in then that would have been a contentious issue, but not this.

That's assuming that Joleon was in an offside position in the first instance, it's very tight.

Just like the 2nd goal.,,,,it should have been allowed as it's too tight for the linesman to call. When it's that close, the benefit of doubt should be given to the forward. You have to be sure to flag for an infringement and I don't see how the linesman can be sure

 

[TCIB]

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[aguero93:20]

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linesman isn't on the offside line the tool, onside by that pic

 

[bluemooninho]

Weren't the rules changed slightly in the summer?

In the past, if a defender purposefully kicks/heads the ball and it goes to an offside player, he was still deemed as offside.

The change stated that if the defending player purposefully plays the ball but hits it to the attacking player is not deemed to have gained an advantage. It is highlighted in this report

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GAINING AN ADVANTAGE - what the law now says

“Gaining an advantage by being in that position” means playing a ball…

1. That rebounds or is deflected to him off the goal post, crossbar or an opponent having been in an offside position.
2. That rebounds, is deflected or is played to him from a deliberate save by an opponent having been in an offside position.
3. A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent, who deliberately plays the ball (except from a deliberate save), is not considered to have gained an advantage.

Point 3 would mean that he was not offside.

 

[TCIB]

The first pic is the frame it hit and left his head and the second pic is the frame after just for information's sake.
Neither seem offside to me tbh but meh we won and we won well.