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Liverpool bus damaged on journey back from Etihad Stadium today
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Not been on the thread for a while.
Have any pictures of the damage to the bus been released and has @domalino answered my question yet?
What question, I’ve been sent about 200 today
jimmygrimblesboots
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I've ordered a £7.99 red touch up pen to repair the substantial damage on the Dipper coach , just addressed it to The Victims , Liverpool , Murkyside , didnt know the post code but i am sure the posty will find it.
Chris in London
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Do you want to answer mine while you're at it?What question, I’ve been sent about 200 today
Post 1049 if it helps
Please name a single example of the song being sung at City before the Mane incident
what’s that got to do with my comment? I can give you dozens of news articles condemning the song for being about hillsborough before the Mane incident.
The song was well known and widely condemned for being linked to hillsborough before City fans picked it up.
You can’t start singing it and claim it’s meaning is suddenly completely different.
Do you want to answer mine while you're at it?
I just did, but I’m tempted to delete my answer because you seem to think I’m fucking obliged to answer within 10 minutes, not to mention the complete bad faith of the question.
gordondaviesmoustache
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Isn’t it annoying when people won’t answer your questions…Do you want to answer mine while you're at it?
Post 1049 if it helps
Chris in London
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what’s that got to do with my comment? I can give you dozens of news articles condemning the song for being about hillsborough before the Mane incident.
The song was well known and widely condemned for being linked to hillsborough before City fans picked it up.
You can’t start singing it and claim it’s meaning is suddenly completely different.
It was sung at City, for the first time so far as I know, as an immediate and direct response to an incident that involved LFC fans booing a player for (as they apparently perceived it) getting one of their team sent off when the reality of the situation was that Ederson had just been very seriously injured by Mane, hence the stretcher, the oxygen mask etc.
The words of the song 'always the victim, its never your fault' were a direct response to that and only that. How often before had that song been sung by City? Never, seems to be the answer. If it was a reference to Hillsborough, choosing to sing it for the first time just then would be particularly perverse, not least given the impeccable attitude demonstrated by City fans at Anfield on the 25th anniversary of Hillsborough itself.
So how dare you assume you have the right to pontificate on what any City fan meant, or should be taken to have meant, or should sing, or should be taken to have intended when they sang it? How dare you tell any City fan that was pissed off by that attitude what they can and cannot sing?
I can, and do, claim to know what was going through the minds of the City crowd on that particular day because I was part of it. No matter who sang it before, no matter what was going through their minds, I can claim it meant something different when we sang it that day because it did mean something different. Can you claim to know what the crowd that day meant by that song?
On that note, who first sang 'City's going down with a billion in the bank'? Clue: it wasn't us, it was a team that plays in red not many miles away. And that song, just like always the victims, means something very different when we sing it.
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Chris in London
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Isn’t it annoying when people won’t answer your questions…
not telling
cheekybids
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When Michael Shields was convicted of Attempted Murder by a Bulgarian court, Liverpool fans decided to wage a campaign to free him. They recruited politicians and church leaders, all of whom said he was innocent. They set about forcing an innocent man to admit to the attack, the confession was so false even Shields solicitor refused to rely on it. The campaign group even used banners that spanned the width of the Kop to protest his innocence, this act is actually against Premier League rules but for some reason, they weren't punished, so they did it again. Eventually they 'forced' Jack Straw' to issue a 'Queens Pardon' and he was freed. There is not one bit of evidence that shows Shields is/was innocent.
This campaign highlights, to me, what 'Always the Victims' is about. It is always someone else to blame, whether it is attempt murder, robbing your own of Champs League tickets, Paris, Heysel, fountains in Madrid, racist 't' shirts on players etc etc etc.
It started with Heysel where they blamed Chelsea fans amongst many but it has gone on every year since then.
It also showed the clubs 2 assets, intimidation & lobbying.
They threatened to withdraw support from a labour stronghold, sounds like blackmail, it was. Free Shields or lose the upcoming election.