Liverpool thread 2019/20

[give it to gordon]

Love the fact that they ‘own’ the whole Thatcher era. Nobody suffered more than them during that period. The whole recession was some kind of agenda against them.
Pit closures decimated villages and communities all over parts of the nation, safe to say every one of them was outside the south. If I am wrong I stand corrected.
Families were split apart, even now, Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters and so on have sadly gone to the grave since those awful times never having spoke since then. That’s such a real tragedy. Each and everyone of those involved were guilty of nothing more than having a sense of togetherness, the Thatcher ideal crushed that. Scousers on rubbish tips ( to use the current narrative) meant more.
Thatcher was the one that decided that ‘there was no such thing as society.’
The steel industry went the same way.
Most industry that actually ‘made things‘ disappeared countrywide.
Every part of the country, apart from parts of the south, suffered equally. It meant more in liverpool.
I left school in 1981 with a few O levels and a sense of trepidation. I got a job, kept my head down and progressed, it’s what you did.
I worked hard and travelled around the country a fair bit. Every lad on every job I worked on was sound. Brummies, Yorkies, Geordies(and Mackems), Scots, Welsh and Irish were all of the same mind set; work hard, play hard. Anytime a scouser turned up trouble followed. It’s a fact, always militant.
This is what I found through my life journey, an awful lot of mates from these jobs to this day hold the same thought.
Bleasdale and McGovern sold this myth to the masses of the plucky, loveable, rough diamond happy go lucky scouser who society had decided should be singled out. Michael Angelis is quite possibly the most boring individual alive, he was the face/voice of that hole throughout those times.
We all struggled back then, watch The Full Monty or Brassed Off - both of them a brilliant pastiche of the time and never once wallowing in self pity and both made with compassion towards those desperate years never once undermining the people who suffered the indignities.
Compare that to the ‘we are the victims’ agenda peddled by Bleasdale and McGovern.
I hate all things that are associated with that place.
I am a born and bred Mancunian, it’s my birth right.
Rant over.

Excellent post. Back in the Thatcher time the seaside town were I live in the south east turned into a ghost town, factory after factory went bust as did the holiday trade. The local guest houses put adverts in the local liverpool papers saying .......'why be on the dole in liverpool when you can be on the dole by the sea'.
We than had alot if scousers down here signing on, lucky after about a year they start going back.

 

[warringtonblue]

They did at the 05 Anfield leg, I was there. That’s fine, they’re more than entitled to do that. But that hasn’t stopped the relationship between other sets of fans and certainly not between the clubs. You’re never going to get an all united front because of the differing involvement of people. Look at the safe standing issue. Every Kopite I know would have a full safe standing Kop tomorrow. There’s overwhelming support in a lot of areas, but ultimately it’s down to the families on that, it’s not our decision alone. It’s the same here, some will have deeper connections than others.

Not meaning to disrespect anyone who lost family or friends at a football match, but why is it down to “the families” how I watch a football match? I’m pretty sure anyone who has lost a family member in a motorway accident isn’t consulted on speed limits

 

[bluwes]

If you apply the Swiss cheese model of accident causation to this event. The juve fans behaviour would be one factor leading to the tragedy.

I don’t know why Europe holds Liverpool in such high regard. But I’m equally puzzled at why the Italians get an easy ride too.
The ban should have included Italy. If not that year. Every year since.
And the gun. I don’t know if he had live ammunition or not. But the fact it was taken to a cup final is a bit worrisome. Even if you are playing the scousers.

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[Greggery Peccary]

Not meaning to disrespect anyone who lost family or friends at a football match, but why is it down to “the families” how I watch a football match? I’m pretty sure anyone who has lost a family member in a motorway accident isn’t consulted on speed limits

I think you’ve misunderstood me there, mate. I meant the families will ultimately have the final say if it happens at Anfield. Not anywhere else.

 

[Greggery Peccary]

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Why wouldn’t I? He’s made some very fair comments even though he’s obviously not into Scousers. Can’t argue with that.

 

[Vienna_70]

I think you’ve misunderstood me there, mate. I meant the families will ultimately have the final say if it happens at Anfield. Not anywhere else.

And if safe standing isn’t allowed at Klanfield, it’s highly unlikely that it will be permitted at any Premier League ground, therefore they have the final say for all stadia.

 

[chedinho]

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It did piss me off that he did. He makes it look like I have sympathy with the scouse cause. But I don’t.
when it comes to football. Scousers and Italians piss in the same pot.

 

[Greggery Peccary]

And if safe standing isn’t allowed at Klanfield, it’s highly unlikely that it will be permitted at any Premier League ground, therefore they have the final say for all stadia.

Mate, it’s being driven by too many clubs for it not to happen elsewhere. Only when it’s seen to be a success will certain attitudes soften. My guess is that it’ll be in other Premier League grounds in some form within 3-5 years. It’ll be brilliant too, just what grounds need.

 

[shackattack]

I think you’ve misunderstood me there, mate. I meant the families will ultimately have the final say if it happens at Anfield. Not anywhere else.

i always thought there was a lot of divisions in the hillsborough family support groups- AW for instance i always had a lot of time for , whereas MA and TH though i could never understand or imagine the pain they went through, i always thought it was more about them if that makes sense. the HFSG actually denied AW the chance to join as they believed she was only interested in her own case eg her son Kevin. JG was a man i always had respect for, but i always thought there were 2 support groups in essence. if you look into the history of the HFSG for instance it was believed that certain high profile families and the club itself were actually communicating with the Sun at one stage and the sum of 96k compensation was mentioned, something that other families were appalled by. hence JG being influential in setting up the HJC.

 

[Greggery Peccary]

It did piss me off that he did. He makes it look like I have sympathy with the scouse cause. But I don’t.
when it comes to football. Scousers and Italians piss in the same pot.

I didn’t think that for a second. I liked the fact that you described the Italian mentality to a tee, you sound like you’ve seen them. Nothing more.