Liverpool thread 2019/20

[KloppiteE]

Well if one good thing comes out of this hopefully it will educate the 48000 plus that was inside Anfield that day booing Patrice Evra because a Liverpool player got banned for racially abusing him.

Of that, we can most wholeheartedly agree.

I have my own views on Evra. And I don't care for that lil' rat Suarez at all. But personally speaking, coming from such a multi-cultural City that's worked hard over the past few decades to come out of the '80's division here and be, in the main, accepting and tolerant, the two just doesn't tally and that, along with the cringe that night at Wigan, never sat right.

Some people will never change, such is life sadly. But you live and hope.

 

[KloppiteE]

Ok
where was last weeks tribute to heysel?

On the club website and social media platforms mate. I posted a link the other day.

 

[give it to gordon]

On the club website and social media platforms mate. I posted a link the other day.

Whilst I dont disagree with you and I believe you when you say it was on the clubs website and social media. What I do find odd is the the press/media and liverpool never miss a chance to be in the press/media, yet for some reason the press/media choose to ignore it and dont cover it. Yet klopp only got to fart and it's in the press/media !

 

[Shirley]

I think it's a very cynical view to look at it like that and an uncalled-for slur on the players that questions their integrity. For it's the players we're talking about here. Not L'pool FC per se. Lead by the captain, they all got together and wanted to send out that message of solidarity to our American friends. They just asked the club to take photies of it so they could get it out there and spread the message. L'pool are moving to holding some training sessions at the ground so it's hard to not have some form of sponsorship wherever you look.

Maybe I'm wrong and there is ulterior motives at play? I dunno', but It just seems (in general. Not directing this at anyone in particular), a very narrow-minded and cynical view to take from a powerful social message the players as a group wanted to send.

I'm the first to criticise the club when they justifiably deserve it but I just don't see any issue in that at all unless you're specifically looking for one.

Do you really believe it was the players who got together and arranged that photo to send their message out?
Maybe, but its obvious it was the club with their sponsors in mind who staged the event.
You're either very naive or have not seen the photo.

 

[GornikDaze]

Do you really believe it was the players who got together and arranged that photo to send their message out?
Maybe, but its obvious it was the club with their sponsors in mind who staged the event.
You're either very naive or have not seen the photo.

Either... right lads why don’t we show some support for the situation in the US and see if the club will take a few quick snaps while we are training for the season to restart...
Or... we want the whole of the playing staff to pose for a picture on the pitch with the sponsors logo clearly in the background to maximise the publicity for the club whilst some shit kicks off in the states

 

[Cellarite]

Either... right lads why don’t we show some support for the situation in the US and see if the club will take a few quick snaps while we are training for the season to restart...
Or... we want the whole of the playing staff to pose for a picture on the pitch with the sponsors logo clearly in the background to maximise the publicity for the club whilst some shit kicks off in the states

Now can you all get yourselves sorted so that your kits alternate?

 

[Boris Becker’s Backhand]

I think it's a very cynical view to look at it like that and an uncalled-for slur on the players that questions their integrity. For it's the players we're talking about here. Not L'pool FC per se. Lead by the captain, they all got together and wanted to send out that message of solidarity to our American friends. They just asked the club to take photies of it so they could get it out there and spread the message. L'pool are moving to holding some training sessions at the ground so it's hard to not have some form of sponsorship wherever you look.

Maybe I'm wrong and there is ulterior motives at play? I dunno', but It just seems (in general. Not directing this at anyone in particular), a very narrow-minded and cynical view to take from a powerful social message the players as a group wanted to send.

I'm the first to criticise the club when they justifiably deserve it but I just don't see any issue in that at all unless you're specifically looking for one.

Odd how they didn’t wanna send out a message of support to ex Liverpool players Sterling and Balotelli when they suffered at the hands of racists. Maybe showing support for them when sport was very much in the news wouldn’t have generated as many clicks as their cynical, hollow gesture will do now that sports pages are desperate for stories.

 

[shackattack]

I think there's a BIG distinction to be made between the era of social media we now live in and lads that actually go to the game and come from/ still live in the City. Which get's lost with every fanbase when people draw on repeated tweets and what they read on-line.

The prime example being Mancunians and Scousers. WAY more alike than most care to acknowledge. We both love our football. Our music. Our fashion. Share similar political views. Both aren't backward in coming forward in standing up for what we believe is right. Which isn't the done 'British' thing and has us both disliked all over. And we get on sound in general life with each other. I've many friends/ ex-work colleagues who are Mancs (and Utd fans at that) who I consider good friends. And I've had many a fantastic night out in Manchester over the years at gigs etc without a hint of any problem. Yers all just talk a little bit daft. Smiles.

But throw football into the mix and people turn into knobheads. Not least on-line where people get conditioned to hate the other club/ City and its citizens. More often than not from people who have never set foot in either City, Much less spent time there to find out for themselves.

I'm rambling and appreciate it will fall on deaf ears for many. But that's the most frustrating thing oft times conversing on-line where that distinction gets lost.

whilst i can agree with some of what you say, i don't think everyone believes what they read online etc. i can base a lot of my beliefs on having lived away for a chunk of my life and working away with lots of other different fans.i think people tend to take people on face value, and for lots of northern people moving away became natural. lot of reds/blues i know try to outscouse each other. accents, which part of the city they come from. i saw it all the time when i first moved away, the loudest person in a bar with a broad scouse accent - it became no big deal, it's just an accent. fashion and music is same, big part of both cities heritage but is music in nottingham any less relevant. you never hear villa/ forest fans up in arms all the time but both clubs have a european history re winning cups.

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

I think it's a very cynical view to look at it like that and an uncalled-for slur on the players that questions their integrity. For it's the players we're talking about here. Not L'pool FC per se. Lead by the captain, they all got together and wanted to send out that message of solidarity to our American friends. They just asked the club to take photies of it so they could get it out there and spread the message. L'pool are moving to holding some training sessions at the ground so it's hard to not have some form of sponsorship wherever you look.

Maybe I'm wrong and there is ulterior motives at play? I dunno', but It just seems (in general. Not directing this at anyone in particular), a very narrow-minded and cynical view to take from a powerful social message the players as a group wanted to send.

I'm the first to criticise the club when they justifiably deserve it but I just don't see any issue in that at all unless you're specifically looking for one.

I believe that every opportunity to " use " and " maximise their publicity " under whatever circumstances is taken by LFC as a club. The rags do exactly the same.

If you don't believe that it was " stage managed " to derive more publicity for Liverpool and their " charm offensive " by ruthless owners then so be it.

I admit to being cynical as accused, but I believe that the more objective amongst us believe that we see it for exactly what it is .

 

[Blue Mist]

I assume this thread has been heavily edited (for the better) as something seems to be missing when a Blue has replied.

Was I right ?

 

[KloppiteE]

Do you really believe it was the players who got together and arranged that photo to send their message out?
Maybe, but its obvious it was the club with their sponsors in mind who staged the event.
You're either very naive or have not seen the photo.

If you believe the players from what's been reported then yeah, I honestly do. They're all very politically savvy and aren't backward in coming forward over issues. And this all follows on from a powerful statement from one of them, Rhian Brewster, on Sunday on this. They aren't all putting this out on through their social media accounts first before the press or club added to it just for show and at the clubs behest. Aside from Klopp not being forced into anything he didn't believe by the football club.

Maybe I'm naive but I fail to see why they should be rebuked for this at all unless you're specifically angling to do so. Shrugs.

Now can you all get yourselves sorted so that your kits alternate?

Hard to differentiate between two separate sides in a full-scale training game if you don't. Or we could be cynical and say it was done for purpose.

https://www.thisisanfield.com/2020/...otted-in-liverpools-training-game-at-anfield/

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

here's a few more -

Formed in 1892 by people who hated Irish Catholics
Ban on all Irish Catholic players until the 1980s
Abused Mike Trebilcock as "Everton's n*gg*r" in the 1960s
Psychologically tortured Howard Gayle (Liverpool's first black player in the 1970s)
Tommy 'Anfield Iron' Smith' "I'd never allow me daughter to marry a C**n".
Kenny Dalglish as manager in the 1980s using a black counter on the white tactis board to denote John Barnes (the other players had red counters)
Murdered 39 Italians in 1985.
Suarez / Evra, Negrito / Uruguayan patois scandal 2011.
Tom Adeyemi in 2012 booed and called c**n by sections of the Kop.

Interesting article about the Adeyemi incident
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-17343654

I love the reason why the CPS declined to prosecute, I wonder why the CPS believed all the cheeky chappie scouse statements- There are two important factors I have relied upon when making my decision: the enhanced CCTV footage and the high proportion of witness statements which tend to support the suspect's version of events

 

[dobingsdobber]

If you believe the players from what's been reported then yeah, I honestly do. They're all very politically savvy and aren't backward in coming forward over issues. And this all follows on from a powerful statement from one of them, Rhian Brewster, on Sunday on this. They aren't all putting this out on through their social media accounts first before the press or club added to it just for show and at the clubs behest. Aside from Klopp not being forced into anything he didn't believe by the football club.

Maybe I'm naive but I fail to see why they should be rebuked for this at all unless you're specifically angling to do so. Shrugs.



Hard to differentiate between two separate sides in a full-scale training game if you don't. Or we could be cynical and say it was done for purpose.

https://www.thisisanfield.com/2020/...otted-in-liverpools-training-game-at-anfield/

I wouldn't have thought that pasty-faced Caledonian fullback would have enough savvy to put his kecks on the right way round.Seems a right thick twonk.

 

[KloppiteE]

Whilst I dont disagree with you and I believe you when you say it was on the clubs website and social media. What I do find odd is the the press/media and liverpool never miss a chance to be in the press/media, yet for some reason the press/media choose to ignore it and dont cover it. Yet klopp only got to fart and it's in the press/media !

I can't speak for the media mate but it wasn't lost between friends of mine either.

We've all never been slow in talking about that day, as much as you don't want to rekindle memories. And I've been very open here about both personal experience and the deep sense of shame that will always live with us for our part in the loss of lives in Brussels. So I'm completely with you that it isn't just odd, but disappointing, to me when major events that should be marked and remembered like Heysel and Bradford get overlooked by the media at large.

 

[Boris Becker’s Backhand]

“They’re all very politically savvy”

*Puts head in hands*

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

“They’re all very politically savvy”

*Puts head in hands*

Shame the board of directors didn’t realise where the political wind was blowing when they decided to furlough staff and take hand outs from a Tory government.

 

[waspish]

I think there's a BIG distinction to be made between the era of social media we now live in and lads that actually go to the game and come from/ still live in the City. Which get's lost with every fanbase when people draw on repeated tweets and what they read on-line.

The prime example being Mancunians and Scousers. WAY more alike than most care to acknowledge. We both love our football. Our music. Our fashion. Share similar political views. Both aren't backward in coming forward in standing up for what we believe is right. Which isn't the done 'British' thing and has us both disliked all over. And we get on sound in general life with each other. I've many friends/ ex-work colleagues who are Mancs (and Utd fans at that) who I consider good friends. And I've had many a fantastic night out in Manchester over the years at gigs etc without a hint of any problem. Yers all just talk a little bit daft. Smiles.

But throw football into the mix and people turn into knobheads. Not least on-line where people get conditioned to hate the other club/ City and its citizens. More often than not from people who have never set foot in either City, Much less spent time there to find out for themselves.

I'm rambling and appreciate it will fall on deaf ears for many. But that's the most frustrating thing oft times conversing on-line where that distinction gets lost.

Agree mainly but your football club was a disgrace Hacking into our database to get ahead of them game regarding players! If they do that what do you think your club are doing behind the scene to other clubs? It helps though with the media mainly backing your club positively.

 

[KloppiteE]

Shame the board of directors didn’t realise where the political wind was blowing when they decided to furlough staff and take hand outs from a Tory government.

I couldn't like or agree with every word of that any more.

 

[Boris Becker’s Backhand]

Shame the board of directors didn’t realise where the political wind was blowing when they decided to furlough staff and take hand outs from a Tory government.

With so many high profile, astute, politically engaged employees it’s a wonder the board ever came to that decision in the first place.

 

[Cellarite]

If you believe the players from what's been reported then yeah, I honestly do. They're all very politically savvy and aren't backward in coming forward over issues. And this all follows on from a powerful statement from one of them, Rhian Brewster, on Sunday on this. They aren't all putting this out on through their social media accounts first before the press or club added to it just for show and at the clubs behest. Aside from Klopp not being forced into anything he didn't believe by the football club.

Maybe I'm naive but I fail to see why they should be rebuked for this at all unless you're specifically angling to do so. Shrugs.



Hard to differentiate between two separate sides in a full-scale training game if you don't. Or we could be cynical and say it was done for purpose.

https://www.thisisanfield.com/2020/...otted-in-liverpools-training-game-at-anfield/

Wow. You really are on the WUM if you're explain to me why two football teams wear different colours. I'm clearly talking about the photo you thunder****.