Liverpool Thread - 2022/23

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bobbyowenquiff said:
I live only seven miles away but don't go to Blackpool very often. Anyway I went there a couple of week's back just for a potter about. It was great. The sun was shining, the tide was in, the prom was packed. I have been in hospital a lot recently (better now) so it was just nice to chill out in the sun There were lots of families, lots of City shirts (did not see one United top all day), everyone was smiling, what's not to like. I know it is a different story after dark but Blackpool gets a lot of unfair criticism in my view. Lytham is even better but a lot posher.
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Love the North pier
 
bluenova said:
Not sure if this has been posted, but there's an interesting visual timeline of the problems at the Champions League final. I know many on here will have no sympathy, and, yes, fake tickets would have been one contributing factor, but it looks pretty grim, and in no way adequate for the amount of fans coming through.

I'd recommend watching, and at least trying to be objective, and considering whether the average Liverpool fan in that queue could have done much to avoid the situation.

www.theguardian.com

How the Champions League final descended into chaos – visual investigation

The most definitive account yet at what went wrong, why it went wrong, and how Liverpool supporters were instantly blamed on the night
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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The problem there was the people with the fake tickets were already in the ground so anyone with the same ticket and seat were refused entry! Also the policing and the hard handed approach was a disgrace and seems to happen when English teams go away in europa
 
waspish said:
The problem there was the people with the fake tickets were already in the ground so anyone with the same ticket and seat were refused entry! Also the policing and the hard handed approach was a disgrace and seems to happen when English teams go away in europa
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The way the LFC fans were treated was disgusting but no surprise to anyone who has travelled to watch a football match in France. The French police are fucking useless at crowd control and the Spanish police are only marginally better. Germany and Denmark (our next away trips) are much safer places with better police. I believe the forged tickets was a red herring.
The one lesson I have learned from following City away in Europe (on 22 occasions) is you should usually ignore the so-called official advice and use your own common sense. You have to avoid wearing colours, you have to get up to the stadium very early (sometimes visit the day before to suss out decent places to eat and drink), mingle in with their fans as much as possible so you just look like a typical CL tourist fan. The last thing you want is to be organised into an obvious group of away fans. That just makes you a target. Anyone on here who remembers going away to matches in this country in the hooligan days will know how dangerous it was to be in a recognised group.
If we get to the CL Final this year you can be sure that Istanbul will be carnage because the policing and the stadium itself is not fit for purpose. People need to be smarter if they want to watch games abroad.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
I live only seven miles away but don't go to Blackpool very often. Anyway I went there a couple of week's back just for a potter about. It was great. The sun was shining, the tide was in, the prom was packed. I have been in hospital a lot recently (better now) so it was just nice to chill out in the sun There were lots of families, lots of City shirts (did not see one United top all day), everyone was smiling, what's not to like. I know it is a different story after dark but Blackpool gets a lot of unfair criticism in my view. Lytham is even better but a lot posher.
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Anybody going to Blackpool then get yourselves down to "Kings and Queens" on Central pier, hottest show in town, you won't be disappointed.
 
shackattack said:
The scouse accent was generally a lot softer initially and certainly so in the 60s/ 70s. More of a Lennon tone than anything , it's become much harsher over the last decade or so. I genuinely know of no one who speaks like Gerrard or Carragher.
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Surely it's just confined to the enclave of two dogs
 
bluenova said:
Not sure if this has been posted, but there's an interesting visual timeline of the problems at the Champions League final. I know many on here will have no sympathy, and, yes, fake tickets would have been one contributing factor, but it looks pretty grim, and in no way adequate for the amount of fans coming through.

I'd recommend watching, and at least trying to be objective, and considering whether the average Liverpool fan in that queue could have done much to avoid the situation.

www.theguardian.com

How the Champions League final descended into chaos – visual investigation

The most definitive account yet at what went wrong, why it went wrong, and how Liverpool supporters were instantly blamed on the night
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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I got bored reading it so can I ask a couple of questions?

Did it mention how many fans didn’t get in?

Did it mention if there were any empty seats in the stadium due to fans not getting in?

If no empty seats it investigate why there was none?
 
cheekybids said:
I got bored reading it so can I ask a couple of questions?

Did it mention how many fans didn’t get in?

Did it mention if there were any empty seats in the stadium due to fans not getting in?

If no empty seats it investigate why there was none?
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Love this. Got bored reading it! haha
 
cheekybids said:
I got bored reading it so can I ask a couple of questions?

Did it mention how many fans didn’t get in?

Did it mention if there were any empty seats in the stadium due to fans not getting in?

If no empty seats it investigate why there was none?
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Did it ask why red fans could clearly be seen sitting on the stairwells as no seats were available?
 
Toffeedude said:
Did it ask why red fans could clearly be seen sitting on the stairwells as no seats were available?
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Exactly, so add the amount who didn’t get in then add the amount in the stairwells & ask yourself if those people weren’t there would the tunnel be overly congested?

Then imagine the fans arriving swipe & the turnstiles allow you access so that there is a continuous flow of movement.

Then is it possible those in the seats & stairwells had fake tickets?
 
jrb said:
Anfield, not in England, hasn't been shortlisted as 1 of the English stadiums for the 2028 Euros.

The Etihad is on the shortlist.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The UK and Ireland Euro 2028 could have just six English stadiums

Anfield, the Emirates Stadium and Elland Road are big omissions from the shortlist of stadiums set to host during Euro 2028 which may come as a surprise to many.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
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Pretty damning on the French Authorities and UEFA, sounds like an horrific experience for fans.

However the below excerpts don't help the article:

French ministers talked of Liverpool supporters as having been a major hooligan threat, contrary to the Merseyside police intelligence.

Merseyside police in pre-match intelligence are understood to have raised fake tickets as a likely issue, while also saying Liverpool supporters are very well behaved at European matches.
 
ROCKET80 said:
Pretty damning on the French Authorities and UEFA, sounds like an horrific experience for fans.

However the below excerpts don't help the article:

French ministers talked of Liverpool supporters as having been a major hooligan threat, contrary to the Merseyside police intelligence.

Merseyside police in pre-match intelligence are understood to have raised fake tickets as a likely issue, while also saying Liverpool supporters are very well behaved at European matches.
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It's not a leap of faith to believe that Liverpool fans were what they usually are. However the gangs that the French police turned a blind eye to were disgusting.

That being said I have little to no sympathy for a set of fans who cause so much distress where they go.
 
Having worked in FMCG for over 20 years I can tell you that 1600 fake tickets would cause an issue. Unlike a part being rejected on a production line & into a bin to allow the continuous flow. You now have the ticket holder refusing to move & stopping others entering. Now multiply this 1600 times & you’ve got chaos. You’ve got the 1600 waiting & refusing to move & causing problems for those arriving. Everyday you see from traffic incidents what happens when the continuous flow is obstructed.

Now I’m sure this is where the LFC fans & journalists immediately blame the organisation for not being able to control this.

I would imagine built into is an error rate of probably 0.5 - 1%, maybe allowing 150 out of 15000 having an issue. When the dippers arrived it’s over 10% plus jibbers.

Shortly after I took my son to a rugby union international at the Optus stadium in Perth & he said you could sneak in, what’s stopping the problems at the champs league final? My answer was society works by the vast majority doing the right thing.

We don’t have 1 steward for each ticket, we don’t have overflow the size of the stadium, we don’t have 3 hard shoulders on the motorway for breakdowns.

I’m sure the policing & stewarding could have been better but ffs will they for once take partial responsibility for the problems they cause.
 
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