Liverpool Thread - 2022/23

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cheekybids said:
Please share I won’t go there
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City Mike 1969 said:
whoever Cityfan2 on Rawk is deserves a medal, for services to scouse piss boiling and making glory hunters who attend a maximum of 2 games a season froth at the gob.
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He is referring to this post that caused proper frothing on that asylum:

Quote from: Cityfan2 on September 20, 2022, 05:48:45 pm
Just wondering if one of you could help answer a few questions.

1. How do you actually know City are cheats? Accounts have been forensically audited probably more than any other club due to a relentless campaign by the "old money" clubs and other than a sanction in 2014 when the rules were new, they have not been found to be in breach of any FFP rules since then and the highest court in sport found in City's favour. Since then countless other clubs have been sanctioned for FFP breaches a lot more recently without being relentlessly called cheats.

2. What makes you think City are state owned? A check of Company House records shows that it is around 76% owned by a company that is privately held by Sheikh Mansour in a personal capacity. The other 24% is split between Chinese and American investors.

3. Why is it a problem being owned by a foreign investor from the UAE albeit by a member of the government acting in a personal capacity? I recall in 2009 many Liverpool fans pleading to be taken over by the Dubai Investment Company which was wholly owned by Sheikh Makhtoum, the ruler of Dubai.

4. Why is it assumed that the owners are sportswashing? The owners have made a total investment of around £2bn including the purchase of the club since 2008 and have recouped around £1bn with the sale of around 25% of it to the Chinese and American investors which means a net investment of around £1bn. However the club has now been independently valued at around £4bn which means the original £1bn investment is now worth £3bn. Doesn't seem like bad business to me. Why would Chinese and American investors buy into a club if they didn't think they would make money?

5. Why do people think that City have distorted the transfer market? City only have one player in the top 20 most expensive transfers list and that's at number 6.

There's plenty more questions but I'll leave it there for now.
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Think he was quickly banned and posts deleted - they do not tolerate objectivity and commonsense interrupting their victimhood narrative
 
bluenova said:
Not sure if this has been posted, but there's an interesting visual timeline of the problems at the Champions League final. I know many on here will have no sympathy, and, yes, fake tickets would have been one contributing factor, but it looks pretty grim, and in no way adequate for the amount of fans coming through.

I'd recommend watching, and at least trying to be objective, and considering whether the average Liverpool fan in that queue could have done much to avoid the situation.

www.theguardian.com

How the Champions League final descended into chaos – visual investigation

The most definitive account yet at what went wrong, why it went wrong, and how Liverpool supporters were instantly blamed on the night
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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What a load of bollox.
Read it out loud with a Scouse accent and you'll get a distinct sense of victimhood
Meanwhile, at the other end of the ground the Madrid fans are being treated like foreign royalty by the French authorities.
 
oldius said:
In the pantheon of wondrous words, this RAWK statement may stand astride Mount Olympus as a true colossus:

These fans are so far gone now. 14 years of sportswashing has removed all sense of reality. There isn't a fanbase that comes close to how deluded they are.
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It would be interesting to hear exactly what delusions we are suffering from. Most City fans I know understand that sport is a cyclic thing and at the moment are are near the top of the cycle, eventually things will change and we will be mediocre again, just how far we will fall remains to be seen. That doesn't sound like being deluded to me. I still have my inflatable banana for when those days return.
 
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RadcliffeRick said:
It would be interesting to hear exactly what delusions were are suffering from. Most City fans I know understand that sport is a cyclic thing and at the moment are are near the top of the cycle, eventually things will change and we will be mediocre again, just how far we will fall remains to be seen. That doesn't sound like being deluded to me. I still have my inflatable banana for when those days return.
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I never realised until I read that thread that we have all as individual fans been sports washed. I always thought it was just the club or the media. I'm not sure how I feel about being sports washed without my consent, or when it happened. I get the feeling from that thread that we get sports washed everytime Liverpool don't win?
 
cheekybids said:
Reasonable debate, was it really deleted?
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Loved the "no mark club from manchester" comment in one of the replies :-)
It's like we were formed in 2008 and didn't exist before that......even though we were still in the top 20 highest revenue clubs even before the takeover, it's not as if we were turning over peanuts before the takeover. Fucking bitter clueless sheep most other fans.....
 
adr2.8i said:
Loved the "no mark club from manchester" comment in one of the replies :-)
It's like we were formed in 2008 and didn't exist before that......even though we were still in the top 20 highest revenue clubs even before the takeover, it's not as if we were turning over peanuts before the takeover. Fucking bitter clueless sheep most other fans.....
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& bigger average attendances than the Dippers.
 
RadcliffeRick said:
It would be interesting to hear exactly what delusions we are suffering from. Most City fans I know understand that sport is a cyclic thing and at the moment are are near the top of the cycle, eventually things will change and we will be mediocre again, just how far we will fall remains to be seen. That doesn't sound like being deluded to me. I still have my inflatable banana for when those days return.
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Exactly. Just got to enjoy it while it lasts.

When Pep leaves I fully expect us to be in the top 4 battle and win the league every couple of years. I’ll be delighted with that.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
I never realised until I read that thread that we have all as individual fans been sports washed. I always thought it was just the club or the media. I'm not sure how I feel about being sports washed without my consent, or when it happened. I get the feeling from that thread that we get sports washed everytime Liverpool don't win?
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Bad cheats are City, just like Everton and other teams. We should have climbed that hill in the true way, the fair way, the Shanks way, the way king kenny would have, the ..oh no, me head is starting to hurt
 
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bobbyowenquiff said:
I live only seven miles away but don't go to Blackpool very often. Anyway I went there a couple of week's back just for a potter about. It was great. The sun was shining, the tide was in, the prom was packed. I have been in hospital a lot recently (better now) so it was just nice to chill out in the sun There were lots of families, lots of City shirts (did not see one United top all day), everyone was smiling, what's not to like. I know it is a different story after dark but Blackpool gets a lot of unfair criticism in my view. Lytham is even better but a lot posher.
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If Yates is still going, all is well with the world.
 
cheekybids said:
Having worked in FMCG for over 20 years I can tell you that 1600 fake tickets would cause an issue. Unlike a part being rejected on a production line & into a bin to allow the continuous flow. You now have the ticket holder refusing to move & stopping others entering. Now multiply this 1600 times & you’ve got chaos. You’ve got the 1600 waiting & refusing to move & causing problems for those arriving. Everyday you see from traffic incidents what happens when the continuous flow is obstructed.

Now I’m sure this is where the LFC fans & journalists immediately blame the organisation for not being able to control this.

I would imagine built into is an error rate of probably 0.5 - 1%, maybe allowing 150 out of 15000 having an issue. When the dippers arrived it’s over 10% plus jibbers.

Shortly after I took my son to a rugby union international at the Optus stadium in Perth & he said you could sneak in, what’s stopping the problems at the champs league final? My answer was society works by the vast majority doing the right thing.

We don’t have 1 steward for each ticket, we don’t have overflow the size of the stadium, we don’t have 3 hard shoulders on the motorway for breakdowns.

I’m sure the policing & stewarding could have been better but ffs will they for once take partial responsibility for the problems they cause.
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I am certain that 10% fake tickets would cause a problem, but if you look at the article, there was clearly always going to be problems.

You've got fans being funnelled into ever narrower spaces, and by the time they get to the ticket check, there are five lines checking bags then tickets and if there's a problem you're trying to send people backwards through the same space.

That's similar to the security lines at one entrance at the Etihad, and they're easily spread out enough to deal with issues.

It's a system that would break down whatever the situation - and even with 10% fakes, that's 90% with legit tickets. If this situation had happened to you, do you think you'd be wanting to accept responsibility on a personal level for other fans being scumbags?
 
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