Loch Ness monster exists

[ForzaMancini]

So you mean to tell me Godzilla was just a film and not a documentary? :(

 

[Sigh]

the opus dei and creationist movement are scarier than the CIA .
The American Constitution specifically separates state, education and church, bans faith schools yet somehow these people are getting round it.
The leaders of this cult are far from stupid, they cannot possibly believe what they preach, so what is their agenda?
Small town America is fertile ground for hocus-pocus religious extremists, very worrying that a nuclear force could have a born-again evangelist with a finger on the button.
America's foreign aid programme is not altruistic generosity when one of the conditions is banning abortion. And that is not a recent thing and involves influence from Washington at the very top.
Opus Dei answers to Rome and has influential financiers and politicians amongst it's members, from many western countries, the lack of coverage of the child abuse scandal is testament to how powerful these people are

Really? Cite the Article and clause.

 

[Damocles]

the opus dei and creationist movement are scarier than the CIA .
The American Constitution specifically separates state, education and church, bans faith schools yet somehow these people are getting round it.
The leaders of this cult are far from stupid, they cannot possibly believe what they preach, so what is their agenda?
Small town America is fertile ground for hocus-pocus religious extremists, very worrying that a nuclear force could have a born-again evangelist with a finger on the button.
America's foreign aid programme is not altruistic generosity when one of the conditions is banning abortion. And that is not a recent thing and involves influence from Washington at the very top.
Opus Dei answers to Rome and has influential financiers and politicians amongst it's members, from many western countries, the lack of coverage of the child abuse scandal is testament to how powerful these people are

Really? Cite the Article and clause.

Isn't it in the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment?

 

[Why Always Ste]

And people say our country is fucked.... 20x worse over in the states.

Say what they want to the kids, info is so widely accessible these days it doesn't mean shit.
I'm glad I went to a Roman catholic school as I got to see first hand the kind of bullshit they would spout to us, and after reading Fact elsewhere I disbelieve in religion even more....

Maybe if I read Fact and was taught it growing up, then someone shown me the light in my Adult life - I'd be walking around town handing out free bibles right now

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Dont worry Dr Dickie Dawkins will shut the MoFo`s up when he hears this!

He's almost as appalling as they are.

 

[Skashion]

This is a dinosaur:

That, my friend, is Hedwig.

 

[Sigh]

the opus dei and creationist movement are scarier than the CIA .
The American Constitution specifically separates state, education and church, bans faith schools yet somehow these people are getting round it.
The leaders of this cult are far from stupid, they cannot possibly believe what they preach, so what is their agenda?
Small town America is fertile ground for hocus-pocus religious extremists, very worrying that a nuclear force could have a born-again evangelist with a finger on the button.
America's foreign aid programme is not altruistic generosity when one of the conditions is banning abortion. And that is not a recent thing and involves influence from Washington at the very top.
Opus Dei answers to Rome and has influential financiers and politicians amongst it's members, from many western countries, the lack of coverage of the child abuse scandal is testament to how powerful these people are

Really? Cite the Article and clause.

Isn't it in the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment?

Fraid not. It isn't anywhere in the Constitution. It's made-up out of whole cloth. Pure fantasy.

It relies on a letter from Thomas Jefferson to some Baptists, written after the adoption, and after initial interpretation by the boot-strapping SCOTUS. The only thing the establishment clause forbids is the establishment (erection) of a national "church", that is, the first amendment is directed at CONGRESS, not the several states, it is a FEDERAL prohibition. To see how it was understood one must observe the behaviour of SCOTUS and the states and Congress in the first few decades after the adoption.

The current use of the establishment clause as a tool to prohibit all interaction between government and religion at all levels (thanks to the suprious doctrine of incorporation where the firewalls directed toward congressional action are turned against the states themselves) of government is a study in positivist-legal sophistry and the centralizing, imperial tendancy inherent in man. Other classics are the "right to privacy" and the black hole that is the commerce clause which have swallowed up just about everything by the will of a few men (in all areas of politics, law and economics) because they will it to be so.

The establishment clause was first emptied of its public meaning, before being filled-up with an private one. Yet the text remains the same. A fine study indeed in why WRITTEN constitutions are not what they are cracked-up to be. The problem is, when one wants to change the law, one is supposed to change the law...EXPLICITLY, i.e. by the amendment process...open, transparent etc. That is the way it was meant to be done. Rather, thanks to the Supreme Court deciding by itself it is the sole and final arbiter of the meaning of the supreme law, the people now have secret law and personal opinions masquerading as public law, that is, operating "under colour of law".

Marbury v Madison is first-semester law school stuff and a fine example of a metastasizing judicial coup-d'etat as has ever been seen.

There is ever a move to strip the supreme court of it's appelate jurisdiction and limit it explicitly to its orginal jurisdiction. That would help.

The bottom line is this: if a school board in up-state New York want to use textbooks that revere Richard Dawkins as the saviour of man whilst simultaneously attacking all belief in super-nature, that is between the school board, local electors, and the Constitution of the State of New York. It is nothing to do with anyone else. Similarly, if a school board in the upper peninsula of Michigan wants to use text-books that use Augustine and Aquinas as base-lines, that is of no concern to a rigorous atheist in San Diego for whom the Constitution of Michigan is as relevant as the contents of my wife's panties. That is the way it is supposed to be and was meant to be. Live and let live, with a minimum uniformity at the federal level and almost all federal law actually directed AT the federal government telling it what IT cannot do.

 

[CTID1988]

How the fuck did we let them become rulers of the world. America seems a little odd to me

 

[york away to this!]

On a similar note (but nowhere near the epic scale of neanderthalism described by the OP), my 11 year old son goes to a C of E primary. He's always been an avid reader and has been reading the Harry Potter books for about 4 years. Anyway, whenhe joined the C of E school 3 years ago he took in a Harry Potter to read but was informed by his head teacher that the HP series of books was not allowed in school because they advocate Witchcraft and magic.

How the fuck can a book 'advocate' something that is patently impossible? Its a fucking fantasy story! (much like The Good Book I suppose then).

So, with me being concerned that his young mind might be tarnished by this nutter's quasi-fundamental clap trap I bought him Richard Dawkins' "The Magic of Reality" for his birthday. Its a kids book that argues that the beauty and majesty of the natural world and universe far outweighs any stories about miracles and, lets be honest here, mythical gods.

I didn't intend him to take the book to school but he's a clever little bugger and likes nothing more than winning an argument so he took it upon himself to take it to school and he made a point of being seen reading it. Inevitably, this resulted in the head teacher telling him that she didn't think it was a suitable book to have in school. NOT SUITABLE?!?!? Its basically a scientific text, BASED ON EVIDENCE AND FACT!

The fact that my son was willing to challenge the views of his headmaster made me proud enough but I was positively gushing when he came home from school a few weeks ago: as a treat for the soon-to-leave year 6 pupils the school had arranged for some activities. One of these was a magician. So, in front of his teacher and classmates he put his hand up and asked the headteacher why she had booked a magician when he'd been told that he couldn't even read about magic in the Potter books.

Her response: a scowl and no explaination given

Love you son ;-)

...you have clearly spawned the devil himself. His school should be applauded for their unwavering stance on this one. The devil spreads evil. Evil is bad. The devil should be cast from the school.

I would recommend a couple of weeks in the stocks for your petulant child. If after that he does not repent, the ducking stool followed by the wicker man.

little shit

 

[Burnage Burnsy]

I've seen the Loch Ness monster, or should I say I've seen the thing in the water that "they" call the Loch Ness monster, not being a WUM or looking for a reaction , I really have seen it.

Was it in starbucks with Messi and Pep.

**claps**