Loyalty

Damocles

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One of the great hypocrisies in football is the idea of loyalty.

We as football fans ask the players to up their workrate, to run until they cannot run anymore, to care for the club as much as we do. Never leave a 50/50 ball, train all day and all night where possible, present yourself in public as a role model and not be seen falling out of bars. We ask them to give up bigger and better opportunities to stay with our club, especially if it is a youth player. Johnson is pretty disliked at Middlesbrough now, for selling out. Barry is hated at Villa. Adebayor was hounded out of Arsenal for asking to move. There was a time where SWP got a bunch of criticism for his move to Chelsea's bench. Sturridge went from the next England striker, to a guy with a horrific attitude who we were glad to be rid of. Robinho went from a great talent who is the leader of the new Blue Revolution, to a washed up whinger who didn't care about the club.

Whether or not any of these are true doesn't seem to matter. I think I can get away without much disagreement, of saying that football fans demand loyalty from their players and are appalled when it isn't given.

Reading the forum over the past seven days or so, the hypocrisy of this actually becomes clearer. We currently have a thread questioning whether or not SWP is a mercenary because he asked for a contract extension when he has several years to go. This could have been spun that he is desperate to pledge his loyalty to the club in a time of low morale. But seemingly it is agreed that he is after money. As far as I am concerned, SWP has paid his dues as a player, and if we have unlimited wealth, then let him grab £100,000 a week. But that's an argument for another thread, my main point is that we immediately questioned his commitment to City despite him being one of 'our boys'.

Two years ago, Stephen Ireland was fast becoming a Championship-at-best player and many, many fans were calling for him to be sold and labelled him as crap. Last season, he came out with something to prove and shown everybody that his talent is there, and made a lot of people embarrassed. This season, he has had an injury and has lost a bit of form, and the calls to sell him are back. This is the Ireland, who it was strongly rumoured this summer, refused to move to Arsenal, a team with bigger prospects, a great manager and European football. Yet, five bad games (or even five not on-fire games) now seem to be enough to make a judgement that somebody is crap.

At the beginning of this season, I was pretty upset that we sold Richard Dunne, a person who I felt summed up the spirit of the club and a personal favourite of mine for many years. He went in fans eyes, to being a great defender and one of the most underrated in the league, to a pile of shit who constantly gets sent off and scores own goals, in the space of one year. Dunne had more than shown his loyalty to us, again and again, and one of the reasons I was disappointed is that I felt he gave us that extra bit of fight in the team that Toure and Lescott do not bring.

I don't think I really need to enter into a conversation about the level of loyalty shown to management.

The point, is that we seem to demand this type of loyalty from our players, yet are unwilling to show them the same back. We could be one of those teams that get behind their players when they are doing badly and show them that we are with them. Instead, we seem to be snapping at them and telling them that they are shit.

Anybody remember Diego Forlan? I can't remember how long it was, but when he was United, he didn't score for an absolute age. United fans still were singing his name and were willing him on, instead of saying how shit he was. As much as I dislike to use this as an example, it is the first that comes to mind.

For the first time in my memory, we seem to be living up to the "bitter" name. We've lost many things recently, patience is certainly one of them, that loyalty and respect for our team is another. The expectation of success has turned us into a snarling beast of a mob.

I do not know why we expect them to love us, if we refuse to love them. You can go on about money, wages and the like of, but it matters very little. It isn't our money we are spending, it isn't coming out of our season tickets, so it doesn't really matter. Besides, nobody loves a club because it is paying them lots of money, so to ask them to die for the shirt because of it is backwards.
 
it would be wrong to expect the players to die for the cause. you know aswell as i do that if we were on the pitch we would chase every ball until we had a heart attack. i think the problem a lot of people have got is sulky attitudes and a serious lack of passion that some players have. i dont like to say anything bad about bellamy but what was his "celebration" about yesterday? i agree with you that we need to encourage the players tho. we need to get behind the lads. including mancini.
 
Great post Damocles. I get the piss taken out of me for banging on about Robinho (sometimes I even bore myself), but I will take to my grave the belief that if we had backed this player instead of falling for the media spin, we would have pissed Fourth this season. I've lost count of the number of players I've felt the need to defend on this Forum. SWP, Lescott, Bridge, Barry, Richards, Adebayor, Ireland, and yes, even Tevez Damocles, have all come in for their fair share of abuse. This doesn't unduly worry me as this place is the ideal place for people to let off steam, but the problem is that this abuse isn't confined to Bluemoon and tends to manifest itself on matchdays. People turn up at games with a preconceived idea of who they like and who they don't like, and quickly turn against any players from the latter category who aren't playing like Maradona and Pele rolled into one. Conversely, certain players get away with murder because they are percieved to be hard working and committed. For example, Craig Bellamy missed a chance early on in the game last night that a six year old would have finished, and if we'd gone 1-0 up at that stage I don't doubt we'd have gone on to win that match. Sure enough after the game, players like Adebayor, Stevie Ireland, SWP (the usual suspects), got it in the neck, whereas Bellamy's miss barely warranted a mention. It's a terrible trait that City fans have taken with them from the days of Bradbury, Edgehill, Samaras, Corradi etc, and one day it will seriously come back to haunt us when we lose a quality player, who doesn't feel like sticking around to take any more abuse.
 
So the players are a disloyal bunch of success hungry mercenaries, and the supporters are the same...

Yep...we're definitely part of the top 4 now...
 
I am a supporter of Manchester City Football Club not the players who come and go! they are overpaid to play for Gods own whilst we pay thousands to watch Gods own team. (only been a steward for 2 years - season ticket holder for over 20 before anyone says anything!)

You state that "SWP has paid his dues as a player, and if we have unlimited wealth, then let him grab £100,000 a week." why not let him earn it first! at the moment he isn't playing that well and certainly does not warrant a £100,000 a week. If he were to now be put up for sale, please tell me who would be willing to give him a contract for that, nobody I would guess so why should City?

You also state that Stephen Ireland refused to move to Arsenal (really - ITK? or paper talk) to a club with bigger prospects! - short term maybe, also doubt that Fabregasc and co would have been sh*tting it. I don't believe a word that he spouts, he may be a nice guy doing all his charity work and all, but don't like it when he later starts blaming Hughes for his bad form, stating he was played out of position (God help him with Mancini!).

Your debate regarding Forlan and the scum fans being loyal to him, are they like that with all their players ask the likes of Birtles, these are the guys who continuously slagged off Fletcher and now he is their God, football fans are all fickle.

Players come and go and we should not get too attached to them, to be successful we should be showing that nobody is indispensable and thus they have to fight and perform consistantly. Whether it be Dunne, SWP or Ireland when Baconface decided "his" stars weren't doing it he shipped them out! and still went on to win trophies.


This isn't having a go at you in anyway, this is just my opinion, which I like yourself am entitled too ;)
 
Great post, been saying this for ages. I'm prone to the odd kneejerk reaction and especially with Dunne but when tempers came down I knew the guy was City through and through and everything we were as a club.

Our fans are getting more and more embarrassing. For the past year Shay Given has been god on earth, now people are saying he's shite and should be sold and Joe Hart brought back; the same people who last season were flapping about Hart. Tevez didnt score much when he just joined us and he was apparently shit and the rags were apparently right that he wont score much, now he's our top scorer. Adebayor has two bad games before he went to Africa and he was a waste of sperm apparently. Yet the guy has scored 10 or so goals for us in half a season.

Sometimes I think some of the plebs on here would be happier in a relegation battle. Stop spitting the dummy out.
 
..blinding thread Damocles. I believe the cause to the core elements to this exist from the fact that the everyday fan is feeling more and more alienated from their football hero's. The added pressure a everyday normal income is under these days, compared to the ridiculous 100k fish tank sallaries of the world, is creating a void far too big to justify hence leading to resentment on the terraces especially those supporting the likes that are paying 80K plus a week to some reasonably good players. Paying 40 odd quid for just the ticket to go to Stoke [not that I did btw] especially when things are tight, is only going to intensify this mentality.

Money money money it could be funny in a rich man's world...
 
For all the daft arguments and crap you sometimes read on here it's worth it when you come across a post like this. Epic post Damocles
 
yeah great post but I don't recall ever reading Ireland turned down a move to Arsenal.
 
Good post but a bit blinkered to say the least.

Football from a players perspective has changed from the "loyal" days.
There are however some players that still believe it is required.
Those players usually go on and be successful at their respective clubs.

Hate to say it but Giggs is the perfect example.
I'm sure there's been 1 or 200 clubs in the last 15 years that have tried to buy him but he's red scum through and through.

We need continuity and stability for at least 3 years before we can see the rewards.
Players should know that when they sign. The club should know that when they appoint a manager.
 

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