Making a Murderer Part 2

Avery was set for a windfall that would see him and his family set for life. There isn't one logical explanation behind why he would risk that to kill an absolute randomer. Zero motive.

What motive did Harold Shipman have? He was earning £100k a year, had a lovely little house overlooking the Pennines, was adored by his patients, it makes no sense. Peter Sutcliffe? He had a stable job as a lorry driver, had a good circle of friends and family and got to see plenty of the world.
 
Scott Tadych (assuming he was the killer) would have suspected she could have been reported missing at any time so I doubt he would have left her car visible from the main road and next to his house.



It depends on what path she took. If she walked straight down the main path without turning towards Avery’s trailer then I would say no it wasn’t quick. But even if she did have prior intelligence around where it might be, that doesn’t mean the police planted it. Maybe they seen a suspicious looking vehicle on the helicopter search and told Pam Sturm to head towards it? Maybe they illegally entered Avery’s land in the middle of the night and knew it was there? Maybe they told her to walk towards the crusher? Maybe she just got lucky? There’s a million and one more plausible reasons why it could have been found in 30 minutes that doesn’t require the police to have planted the car there.

Well Pam Sturm's reason for finding it so quickly was because "God led me to it". And we all know the boss upstairs trumps everything else ;)
 
What motive did Harold Shipman have? He was earning £100k a year, had a lovely little house overlooking the Pennines, was adored by his patients, it makes no sense. Peter Sutcliffe? He had a stable job as a lorry driver, had a good circle of friends and family and got to see plenty of the world.

I think for a lot of people it seems beyond comprehension that someone spending 18 years in jail for a rape they definitely didn't commit would then go on to commit a murder a couple of years after being released. Murderers are a rare breed and there aren't that many of them knocking about. No doubt Avery is a bit of wrong 'un and would've been on the radar of the local authorities as a result but for him to be wrongly convicted of a heinous crime, only to then go and commit a more heinous crime seems a bit of a stretch IMO. I'm not saying it's impossible but the odds of something like that happening must be close to being off the scale.
 
I think for a lot of people it seems beyond comprehension that someone spending 18 years in jail for a rape they definitely didn't commit would then go on to commit a murder a couple of years after being released. Murderers are a rare breed and there aren't that many of them knocking about. No doubt Avery is a bit of wrong 'un and would've been on the radar of the local authorities as a result but for him to be wrongly convicted of a heinous crime, only to then go and commit a more heinous crime seems a bit of a stretch IMO.

True. It’s definitely unusual but most normal people who’ve just served 18 years for a wrongful rape conviction wouldn’t be beating up their girlfriend either straight after their release, which is what he did. Obviously murder is another level up from that but if that’s what the evidence points to then that’s what the jury should consider.
 
What motive did Harold Shipman have? He was earning £100k a year, had a lovely little house overlooking the Pennines, was adored by his patients, it makes no sense. Peter Sutcliffe? He had a stable job as a lorry driver, had a good circle of friends and family and got to see plenty of the world.

You seem to reply to only bits you want. I am not saying everyone has a motive, I asked what Averys was. He didn't have one so you're just suggesting he must have mental issues then. I think he is a bit of a dope but I don't think he is a murderer from what I have seen. I could be wrong. I will ask again, if you have £36 million coming your way would you kill someone with no motive? Or are you saying he is that weird he just did it anyway?

Oh whilst you also don't come back to anyone's post about the police planting evidence. That alone stinks
 
Whatever the truth it’s all as dirty as fuck. I am not anything like convinced beyond reasonable doubt that Avery is guilty, but I am convinced that the Dassey kid isn’t. So other than odd American bull shite I can’t see why either remain behind bars. ( I know Avery was set for a massive payout and that the police has a huge incentive to prevent him from being in a position to cash that cheque) but still fucking land of the free pfft
 
You seem to reply to only bits you want. I am not saying everyone has a motive, I asked what Averys was. He didn't have one so you're just suggesting he must have mental issues then. I think he is a bit of a dope but I don't think he is a murderer from what I have seen. I could be wrong. I will ask again, if you have £36 million coming your way would you kill someone with no motive? Or are you saying he is that weird he just did it anyway?

He might have had the most common motive there is for male on female murders? Sexual motive?
 
True. It’s definitely unusual but most normal people who’ve just served 18 years for a wrongful rape conviction wouldn’t be beating up their girlfriend either straight after their release, which is what he did. Obviously murder is another level up from that but if that’s what the evidence points to then that’s what the jury should consider.

I'd say murder is several levels up from beating up your other half - not that that in itself isn't a scummy act - but if we're talking about reliability of witnesses then surely his ex comes into the equation, given that previous to these allegations she appeared to be in Avery's corner. Not to mention that she was also in prison on a drink-driving charge at the time Teresa was murdered. None of that makes her a liar of course and many abuse victims suffer in silence, but certain parts of her story could easily be corroborated such as taking rat poison to get away from him and having to go to hospital for treatment after taking it
 
I'd say murder is several levels up from beating up your other half - not that that in itself isn't a scummy act - but if we're talking about reliability of witnesses then surely his ex comes into the equation, given that previous to these allegations she appeared to be in Avery's corner. Not to mention that she was also in prison on a drink-driving charge at the time Teresa was murdered. None of that makes her a liar of course and many abuse victims suffer in silence, but certain parts of her story could easily be corroborated such as taking rat poison to get away from him and having to go to hospital for treatment after taking it

These allegations existed before Teresa’s murder. In one of his police interviews, Steven even admits to beating up Jodi. That doesn’t mean he killed Teresa but it means he probably can’t be judged according to the expectations of what a normal person would do after being released from a wrongful conviction, especially when there’s (presumably) a tendency for people with violent histories towards women to kill women. His ex-gf now believes he killed Teresa as well.
 
These allegations existed before Teresa’s murder. In one of his police interviews, Steven even admits to beating up Jodi. That doesn’t mean he killed Teresa but it means he probably can’t be judged according to the expectations of what a normal person would do after being released from a wrongful conviction, especially when there’s (presumably) a tendency for people with violent histories towards women to kill women. His ex-gf now believes he killed Teresa as well.

Fair enough but it’s still a huge leap to murder. There are far more domestic abusers around than murderers so I don’t think it makes him that much more likely a killer.

Whatever Avery’s character is outside of all this, there are too many question marks over the evidence against him to class this as beyond reasonable doubt. It seems too convenient that all these things were found on his property. Granted, even experienced killers make mistakes but if he did do it then he’s done the worst possible job in trying to cover his tracks.

If that was over here then both of them would’ve been out almost as soon as all these things came to light.
 

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