Dubai Blue
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I've not, but four different Federal judges have, and three of them believe the interview techniques used were wholly inappropriate and unconstitutional.
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Making a Murderer Part 2
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Bigga
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There was no point in Dassey’s confession - that’s the tragic thing. He didn’t need to say anything and if he hadn’t said anything, he wouldn’t have been convicted of murder. Avery would have been convicted, and was convicted without Dassey’s evidence.
You miss my point.
Why insist to BD that he WAS there, when it was simpler to ask 'where you there?', BD say 'No' and just leave it as Avery's alibi would have been busted.
Why press Dassey for information he couldn't possibly know and coerce him into repeating the fed info back to them?
Your argument is flawed.
Fame Monster
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Can the people saying Avery is guilty explain how the diary was found at her home despite apparently never leaving the Averys where she had it on her?
Her cell phone records suggest she was at home when she wrote down her plans.
You miss my point.
Why insist to BD that he WAS there, when it was simpler to ask 'where you there?', BD say 'No' and just leave it as Avery's alibi would have been busted.
Why press Dassey for information he couldn't possibly know and coerce him into repeating the fed info back to them?
Your argument is flawed.
My argument isn’t flawed: I’m just stating the fact that he was arrested, charged and convicted without Dassey - something you denied earlier.
The reason they questioned Dassey was following up on a lead. Kayla Dassey said that Brendon told her he saw toes in Avery’s fire (which is very possibly the truth) because we know that Brendon went round to Avery’s to help him clean - although probably after Halbach was already dead. The police were just trying to get as much information as possible from Dassey. They didn’t need it because it wasn’t used against Avery.
Her cell phone records suggest she was at home when she wrote down her plans.
My argument isn’t flawed: I’m just stating the fact that he was arrested, charged and convicted without Dassey - something you denied earlier.
The reason they questioned Dassey was following up on a lead. Kayla Dassey said that Brendon told her he saw toes in Avery’s fire (which is very possibly the truth) because we know that Brendon went round to Avery’s to help him clean - although probably after Halbach was already dead. The police were just trying to get as much information as possible from Dassey. They didn’t need it because it wasn’t used against Avery.
How would that work, apparently there wasn’t enough time to get home and still be on time? She was on time at the Averys? Why would she go home during her working day and leave her diary? Bit amateur that considering she takes calls and books stuff in through the day.
Also why did the cop not report that someone told him where the car was? Surely that’s key? Same cop who’s got previous of not doing anything with key information? Far too many holes in the whole thing.
Fame Monster
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It’s the blood explanations. First it was the vial that had been compromised. Then it was the blood on the sink that someone knew was going to be there and swooped in whilst he went out that set alarm bells off.
Then you read stuff that’s left out of the documentary and it starts to add up.
As for Dassey. His interview on the series has always been a tough watch and made to look like he is led all the way through the confession. But it was three hours long and I’m thinking he must have given info in the bits not shown. Has anyone seen the full 3 hours or knows if it’s available.
The explanation for the blood from the sink being planted was laughable but the blood experiments were even more laughable. The blood in the sink dried up after 90 minutes and when the blood spatter expert pointed out that the liquid blood found on the scene would have had to have been removed when it was still in liquid form i.e. within 90 minutes, Zellner pretty much said ‘oh yeah, don’t worry it was’. Another reason why we don’t have trial by documentary.
As for Brendon, he could well have been involved in the murder but other than a clearly false confession, there’s no evidence of him being involved in anything other than a crime-scene clean-up. Chances are, Halbach was already dead when he came home from school.
Fame Monster
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How would that work, apparently there wasn’t enough time to get home and still be on time? She was on time at the Averys? Why would she go home during her working day and leave her diary? Bit amateur that considering she takes calls and books stuff in through the day.
Also why did the cop not report that someone told him where the car was? Surely that’s key? Same cop who’s got previous of not doing anything with key information? Far too many holes in the whole thing.
No disrespect but you’re labouring under the impression that everything presented in the documentary is the truth. I thought the same after I saw the first documentary (hence why I wrote what I wrote on page 1) but if you look at what the jury has seen and the information that is available in the public domain, you’ll see that the documentarians (and Zellner) consistently lie and misrepresent facts so saying ‘x is illogical/impossible when y is true’ doesn’t hold up when y isn’t true.
M18CTID
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The explanation for the blood from the sink being planted was laughable but the blood experiments were even more laughable. The blood in the sink dried up after 90 minutes and when the blood spatter expert pointed out that the liquid blood found on the scene would have had to have been removed when it was still in liquid form i.e. within 90 minutes, Zellner pretty much said ‘oh yeah, don’t worry it was’. Another reason why we don’t have trial by documentary.
As for Brendon, he could well have been involved in the murder but other than a clearly false confession, there’s no evidence of him being involved in anything other than a crime-scene clean-up. Chances are, Halbach was already dead when he came home from school.
Yet the prosecution claims Brendan was present when the murder took place, and Kratz took great delight in telling this to the whole world the day after Dassey’s confession was coerced out of him - a confession that isn’t worth the paper it’s written on. I take your point that Avery was charged long before that but his confession was clearly bollocks, yet the prosecution painted a picture that involved Brendan. The fact that they tried them both separately is dodgy as fuck - if they were both involved in their eyes then why not try them together? It’s almost like they were coming up with 2 different versions - one for each trial, and hoping that some of it stuck.
As for Zellner, yeah some of her theories aren’t cast iron but it’s a bit rich calling her out when she’s successfully overturned 17 wrongful convictions, so she can hardly be accused of being shit at her job, which is more than can be said for some of the clowns who originally investigated this case.
No disrespect but you’re labouring under the impression that everything presented in the documentary is the truth. I thought the same after I saw the first documentary (hence why I wrote what I wrote on page 1) but if you look at what the jury has seen and the information that is available in the public domain, you’ll see that the documentarians (and Zellner) consistently lie and misrepresent facts so saying ‘x is illogical/impossible when y is true’ doesn’t hold up when y isn’t true.
That’s why I used the word apparently because I know some of it might not be what happened, some of the tests she carries out are amateur and doesn’t prove much.
There still is plenty of holes, the police say she was raped, stabbed in Averys trailer and then shot in the garage. Mad how there wasn’t any of her blood anywhere or dna for such an awful, detailed murder. That would suggest he was a real good cleaner to not leave one trace of her being present in any of them places, yet when it come to his own dna he happily left it everywhere.....
Fame Monster
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Yet the prosecution claims Brendan was present when the murder took place, and Kratz took great delight in telling this to the whole world the day after Dassey’s confession was coerced out of him - a confession that isn’t worth the paper it’s written on. I take your point that Avery was charged long before that but his confession was clearly bollocks, yet the prosecution painted a picture that involved Brendan. The fact that they tried them both separately is dodgy as fuck - if they were both involved in their eyes then why not try them together? It’s almost like they were coming up with 2 different versions - one for each trial, and hoping that some of it stuck.
As for Zellner, yeah some of her theories aren’t cast iron but it’s a bit rich calling her out when she’s successfully overturned 17 wrongful convictions, so she can hardly be accused of being shit at her job, which is more than can be said for some of the clowns who involved in who originally investigated this case.
It’s wrong what the prosecution did to Brendon in lots of respects and there’s a good argument to be made (that I don’t necessarily agree with) that the prosecution shouldn’t be able to advance conflicting theories in separate trials in relation to the same case. I think there are certain state laws in the U.S. that instruct when separate trials are required so I don’t know if the decision they took to try them separately was strategic or legally required.
As for Zellner, I’m not calling her out for being a bad lawyer. She’s an amazing lawyer. Putting forward bad/specious arguments doesn’t make you a bad lawyer if you can get juries or in this case viewers to believe what you said.