Man notified of burglary via app goes home murders burglar [Liverpool]

[DiscoSteve]

Do you think there should be the death penalty for burglary? Seems a bit much to me.

Don't underestimate the impact on a victim of someone breaking into their home - its literally an invasion of privacy - whislt death penalty seems a bit much, these f**kers do not give a sh*t about getting caught because the current penalties are too light - needs to be something that they will 'never forget' and/or impacts them for the same length of time the victims are impacted

 

[jimharri]

Don't underestimate the impact on a victim of someone breaking into their home - its literally an invasion of privacy - whislt death penalty seems a bit much, these f**kers do not give a sh*t about getting caught because the current penalties are too light - needs to be something that they will 'never forget' and/or impacts them for the same length of time the victims are impacted

Correct. It happened to us when we were living in Manchester in the late seventies. It's a spirit crushing feeling to walk into your house and see it trashed.

 

[The slaughtered lamb]

I'm just wondering what the intruder would do to you if you if you interrupted them ? It's clear this guy wasn't afraid and knew how to look after himself.surely trying to stop someone from violating your home and stealing your possessions should mean reasonable force applied ?
I've seen a very very quick description that said it was a frenzied knife attack with premeditation as his friend egged him on. I just wonder what the jury will decide was reasonable

I do wonder what effect the tone of media reporting has on these cases and on appeals. Tony Martin was convicted for shooting dead a teenage burglar about 20 years ago. After his conviction, the focus was on his age, vulnerability, the number of times he’d been burgled before and the questionable character of the victim. He was released on parole a few years later after a media campaign. Could be another case of the media creating the narrative. They shouldn’t, either way.

 

[feedthegoat27]

Read about this story yesterday and a couple of things stood out.

Firstly, the murdered man really didn't look like a typical burglar in the picture used to show who he was.
I'm not entirely sure how a burglar should look, however he really didn't look the part.
Nothing to read into that, just an observation.

Secondly, the level of violence is incredible.
Burglars are scum and undoubtedly risk something serious happening every time they break into someone's gaff.
But this was an extremely violent way to deal with him, and that's before the accused have then returned to the scene and finished him off.
By all accounts the burglar would've died anyway from the knife through his eye and into his brain, but slicing his throat made sure of it.

It seems at no point were the police called, and the house occupants weren't even inside when the burglary happened, so it's going to be interesting to see how this pans out from a legal standpoint, though its hard to see past anything less than murder so far.
Feels like there is more to this story than is currently being revealed.

 

[bluealf]

Don't underestimate the impact on a victim of someone breaking into their home - its literally an invasion of privacy - whislt death penalty seems a bit much, these f**kers do not give a sh*t about getting caught because the current penalties are too light - needs to be something that they will 'never forget' and/or impacts them for the same length of time the victims are impacted

They'll never forget being killed for burglary that's for sure

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

I do wonder what effect the tone of media reporting has on these cases and on appeals. Tony Martin was convicted for shooting dead a teenage burglar about 20 years ago. After his conviction, the focus was on his age, vulnerability, the number of times he’d been burgled before and the questionable character of the victim. He was released on parole a few years later after a media campaign. Could be another case of the media creating the narrative. They shouldn’t, either way.

Nor should social media, including in here.
A jury swears an oath to try the case solely based on the evidence presented to them in court. This is also reinforced by the judges charges at the end of a trial whereby he issues direction after the prosecution and defence closing statements.
It’s a tough job for any jury but they are the ones that hear all of the evidence that is legally allowed.
What is reported by the media is also under instruction from the court prior to a verdict and should only deal with evidence presented in court.

Social media speculation is not easy to monitor but is also subject to legal scrutiny as was the case in a murder trial of two minors over here in Dublin, who were guilty of a violent murder of a poor school girl.
A local woman was prosecuted and convicted for naming one of the minors online on social media.
So just be careful what you say online.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

Some weird opinions in this thread backing the guy.

That kind of savage violence is not normal.

Kicking the shit out of the burglar, twatting him with a cricket bat, golf club etc, absolutely fair game. Fill your boots, I would.

But what this guy did was like something from a horror movie - and you just know that if it wasn’t the burglar who got it it would’ve been his wife or some bloke down the pub or something.

Fucking wrongun, deserves life.

 

[razman]

damn !

 

[bluemoon32]

We were burgled years ago whilst my family was asleep and i was working nights , my Wife heard them & ran to look after the kids and they had to cower in one bedroom whilst the cunts ransacked our house.
My Wife & kids couldn't sleep in the house again & my kids had nightmares for months.
We had to sell up and move from a home we'd spent 2 years renovating, i would have stabbed the cunts too if i'd found them.

 

[Daz-Simp]

Some weird opinions in this thread backing the guy.

That kind of savage violence is not normal.

Kicking the shit out of the burglar, twatting him with a cricket bat, golf club etc, absolutely fair game. Fill your boots, I would.

But what this guy did was like something from a horror movie - and you just know that if it wasn’t the burglar who got it it would’ve been his wife or some bloke down the pub or something.

Fucking wrongun, deserves life.

It might not be. Let's say you swing that golf club and the burglar dies, you'd be up on similar charges, so where do you draw the line? Is the throat slit too far? Absolutely. Is killing someone in self defence of your property? I'd say no. The method, therefore, is secondary to the outcome for me.