Manchester City vs Liverpool pre-match thread

[robbieh]

Re: Liverpool Thread 2013/14 (continued)

25 years have passed without justice. How can people move on? They lost heir loved ones who were falsely accused.

Who are you to say they should "move on"? If it had been your Dad, Mum, brother, sister, friend, girlfriend/boyfriend, cousin, or any other relative could you ever move on?

It could have been us if we'd had a better side (we were trying to get promoted from Division 2 at the time). Think about it.

On 15th April 1989, we were watching City getting tonked at Blackburn and it was half time when when I switched on my tranny and heard the news that there had been deaths. We can never forget that tragedy.

I am so proud of our club and 99.99% of our fans. After a request from some City fans, MCFC has commissioned a banner which will be taken to Anfield and held aloft by City fans, paying our respects to the victims of Hillsborough. City have also taken out a full page ad in the match programme with “YNWA” and both club badges. Mike Summerbee and Joe Corrigan will hand over 96 blue and red roses to Kenny Dalglish and Ian Rush.

It is a source of national disgrace that justice has not been done for the Hillsborough Disaster. That 25 years have passed and justice still has not been done deepens that disgrace.

The victims were falsely blamed for the tragedy by South Yorkshire Police and Margaret Thatcher's government.
Their reputations were besmirched by the Police and Thatcher's govt who repeatedly told lies about them and what went on.

South Yorkshire Police amended Police officers' accounts of the Disaster, and bullied other officers into changing their accounts.

Vital evidence which could have made the truth public was covered up or destroyed by the Police and Thatcher's government.

Alcohol blood tests were taken of children who died at Hillsborough. Yes children were blood tested for alcohol to try to perpetuate the lie that drunken fans caused the disaster.

It was gross negligence and incompetence that caused the disaster.

Liverpool fans were falsely accused of breaking down the doors to the stadium when those gates were opened on the instruction of the South Yorkshire Police Match Commander.

Despite requests from Liverpool, The FA and S Yorks Police put Liverpool fans in the fateful smaller Leppings Lane end of Hillsborough. There had been crushing in the Leppings Lane End in 1981.

Hillsborough Stadium did not have an up to date safety certificate yet Sheffield City Council failed to close it.

The FA chose an unfit, unsafe stadium for one of the biggest matches of the season.

S Yorks Police (investigated rather conveniently in the aftermath by the equally corrupt West Midlands Police) told a tissue of lies.

The Emergency services were slow to respond to tend to the dying and injured.

The original Hillsborough coroner wrongly recorded a verdict of "accidental death", and deemed an erroneous cut off point when victims had no chance of survival - it has since been discovered that some of those people could have been saved.

Some people in Britain self righteously talk about the "British sense of fair play". What fair play? It's always been a myth (eg slavery, invading and looting other people's countries). Where is the fair play for the victims of Hillsborough and their families?

We stand together with them in dearly hoping these families find justice and that those who are responsible are prosecuted. Those have waited for far too long - 25 years - for justice.

JUSTICE FOR THE 96.

Yeah it's all Margaret Thatcher's fault???!! Give it a rest with political horseshit FFS.

Some people like to hitchhike on the grief of others ! If you are one of 'the families' then grieve. If you're not, then remember with respect. But please don't try to claim some sort of moral high ground with the over emotional nonsense

Absolutely spot on. Although I suspect the British are not alone in this. Virtually every country on earth seem to over value themselves, while deriding others. It's called nationalism.

Back on topic. Of course the scousers can have their day of memorial. What we should do is snatch the 3 points nice and quietly and then go home.

 

[LoveCity]

Scousers don't half go on... it's just like the build-up to the Manchester derby (well, the rags' PR department have been quiet before derbies lately for obvious reasons) with non-stop bleating from our opposition.

 

[McKenzie'sGoalWasBetter]

Lose it, and the title is pretty much goes to them.

Sorry but that's bollocks.

If we lose we'll have dropped one more point than them this season, so we'd only need them to slip up once more than us in the remaining games.

They still have Palace (A) and Chelsea (H). We still have Palace (A) and Everton (A), plus, Chelsea are by no means out of it.

The truth is, we can afford to lose. They can't. If they do they'll have dropped 5 more points than us and so will need us to lose twice or drop points in 3 of the last 6 games.

A win for us knocks them out of the race and provided Chelsea don't win at Anfield we should win the title comfortably. A draw leaves it in the balance but with us as favourites. A loss makes Liverpool favourites but we'd still be very much in the race. We're in a great position and if anyone in the media wanted to notice this, they'd realise the pressure really is on them.

Pretty much how I see it as well. I think if we lose we can still win the league, if we win they're out of it.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Lose it, and the title is pretty much goes to them.

Sorry but that's bollocks.

If we lose we'll have dropped one more point than them this season, so we'd only need them to slip up once more than us in the remaining games.

They still have Palace (A) and Chelsea (H). We still have Palace (A) and Everton (A), plus, Chelsea are by no means out of it.

The truth is, we can afford to lose. They can't. If they do they'll have dropped 5 more points than us and so will need us to lose twice or drop points in 3 of the last 6 games.

A win for us knocks them out of the race and provided Chelsea don't win at Anfield we should win the title comfortably. A draw leaves it in the balance but with us as favourites. A loss makes Liverpool favourites but we'd still be very much in the race. We're in a great position and if anyone in the media wanted to notice this, they'd realise the pressure really is on them.

Pretty much how I see it as well. I think if we lose we can still win the league, if we win they're out of it.

If we lose this one it'll be the equivalent of the Arsenal defeat back in 2012.
A fuckin gut wrench but far from irretrievable.

 

[Cityisland]

Lawro and merson predicting draws.

Shaking like a shooting dog early in the week.. calm and rational until this evening and now nerves creeping in!

Can't they just play it now and get it over with?!

 

[Chippy_boy]

Sorry but that's bollocks.

If we lose we'll have dropped one more point than them this season, so we'd only need them to slip up once more than us in the remaining games.

They still have Palace (A) and Chelsea (H). We still have Palace (A) and Everton (A), plus, Chelsea are by no means out of it.

The truth is, we can afford to lose. They can't. If they do they'll have dropped 5 more points than us and so will need us to lose twice or drop points in 3 of the last 6 games.

A win for us knocks them out of the race and provided Chelsea don't win at Anfield we should win the title comfortably. A draw leaves it in the balance but with us as favourites. A loss makes Liverpool favourites but we'd still be very much in the race. We're in a great position and if anyone in the media wanted to notice this, they'd realise the pressure really is on them.

Pretty much how I see it as well. I think if we lose we can still win the league, if we win they're out of it.

If we lose this one it'll be the equivalent of the Arsenal defeat back in 2012.
A fuckin gut wrench but far from irretrievable.

Irretrievable implies we could retrieve it. But in fact we couldn't. We'd be reliant on Liverpool crumbling and gifting us the title. If they beat us, I cannot see this happening. They are shitting it about Sunday, despite how it appears from the false bravado. The confidence they would gain by beating us, would make them unstoppable, just like we were unstoppable in 2012 after the rags lost to wigan and dropped points against Everton. We saw our chance and grasped it. They will do exactly that if we let them beat us on Sunday.

That said, thet aren't beating us. We have a much better defence, much better midfield and we have scored more goals than them in less games, even if their strikers shade ours on current form. But our team is much better balanced and we can defend better and are more than capable of hurting them at the other end. And ALL the pressure is on them. Comfortable City win 4-1.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Pretty much how I see it as well. I think if we lose we can still win the league, if we win they're out of it.

If we lose this one it'll be the equivalent of the Arsenal defeat back in 2012.
A fuckin gut wrench but far from irretrievable.

Irretrievable implies we could retrieve it. But in fact we couldn't. We'd be reliant on Liverpool crumbling and gifting us the title. If they beat us, I cannot see this happening. They are shitting it about Sunday, despite how it appears from the false bravado. The confidence they would gain by beating us, would make them unstoppable, just like we were unstoppable in 2012 after the rags lost to wigan and dropped points against Everton. We saw our chance and grasped it. They will do exactly that if we let them beat us on Sunday.

That said, thet aren't beating us. We have a much better defence, much better midfield and probably inferior strikers based on current form. But our team is much better balanced and we can defend better and are more than capable of hurting them at the other end. And ALL the pressure is on them. Comfortable City win 4-1.

Fuck me chippy you don't half go round the houses. Of course we could retrieve it.
I'm not expecting us to lose but at the same time if we did all would not be lost.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Pretty much how I see it as well. I think if we lose we can still win the league, if we win they're out of it.

If we lose this one it'll be the equivalent of the Arsenal defeat back in 2012.
A fuckin gut wrench but far from irretrievable.

Irretrievable implies we could retrieve it. But in fact we couldn't. We'd be reliant on Liverpool crumbling and gifting us the title. If they beat us, I cannot see this happening. They are shitting it about Sunday, despite how it appears from the false bravado. The confidence they would gain by beating us, would make them unstoppable, just like we were unstoppable in 2012 after the rags lost to wigan and dropped points against Everton. We saw our chance and grasped it. They will do exactly that if we let them beat us on Sunday.

That said, thet aren't beating us. We have a much better defence, much better midfield and we have scored more goals than them in less games, even if their strikers shade ours on current form. But our team is much better balanced and we can defend better and are more than capable of hurting them at the other end. And ALL the pressure is on them. Comfortable City win 4-1.

It won't need Liverpool to 'crumble' mate, even if they beat us. They could win three and draw one of their remaining games and we'd still win it if we won all our games. Ten points out of twelve over the course of a season equals 95 points.

 

[sam-caddick]

Lawro and merson predicting draws.

Shaking like a shooting dog early in the week.. calm and rational until this evening and now nerves creeping in!

Can't they just play it now and get it over with?!

I was nervous at the start of the week but I am now coming to terms that this game has become an overhyped cup final for Liverpool that we don't actually need to win as a draw would suit us perfectly.

There is far too much emphasis on this game being a title decider if you ask me, it's only a title decider for Liverpool because if they lose or draw it's our of their hands, but even then us or Chelsea could still drop points.

I feel confident we can get a draw.

 

[Frank the Yank]

I dont know what it looks like at your bookies over there but, on the internet web site I use over here, City a ever so slight underdogs. Me likey......