beano46
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And this thread goes marching on on on
And on and on and on and on and on
And on and on and on and on and on
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jrb said:Let's get to 100 pages first before we move on. :-)
no I think it should stop now.
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I agree.Blue Mist said:jrb said:Let's get to 100 pages first before we move on. :-)
no I think it should stop now.
beano46 said:And this thread goes marching on on on
And on and on and on and on and on
Ironically it's probably been read more than the evening news has been in the last month
Bill
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oakiecokie said:de niro said:oakiecokie said:Oh for goodness sake squirty,I hope that was meant in jest ? If not what a pile of shit mate.
its far nearer the truth than the article!
perhaps you can answer the simple question,
what was thier motive ? the real one i mean.
I`ve covered all this before,however to suggest that this could result in possible damage to our extension is as cringeworthy as the fucking article itself.Do you honestly believe that someone from MCC,gives a fuck what a spotty no-mark scouser thinks about our plans ?
Drama queens spring to mind.
So it's a no then?
oakiecokie
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de niro said:oakiecokie said:de niro said:its far nearer the truth than the article!
perhaps you can answer the simple question,
what was thier motive ? the real one i mean.
I`ve covered all this before,however to suggest that this could result in possible damage to our extension is as cringeworthy as the fucking article itself.Do you honestly believe that someone from MCC,gives a fuck what a spotty no-mark scouser thinks about our plans ?
Drama queens spring to mind.
So it's a no then?
What`s a "no" ?? Their motive ?? Who the fuck knows and cares.Lets start a new thread called "Mengate",after all its got as much intrigue as Watergate and Plebgate.Then again that`s only for the theorists and hate mungers,which you have taken to the next level in your hatred towards the MEN.
Perhaps you`ll have to bring some indefensible evidence to the table to even try and muster a plausible explanation as to your conclusions.
The next witness My `Lud.
Davs 19
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oakiecokie said:de niro said:oakiecokie said:I`ve covered all this before,however to suggest that this could result in possible damage to our extension is as cringeworthy as the fucking article itself.Do you honestly believe that someone from MCC,gives a fuck what a spotty no-mark scouser thinks about our plans ?
Drama queens spring to mind.
So it's a no then?
What`s a "no" ?? Their motive ?? Who the fuck knows and cares.Lets start a new thread called "Mengate",after all its got as much intrigue as Watergate and Plebgate.Then again that`s only for the theorists and hate mungers,which you have taken to the next level in your hatred towards the MEN.
Perhaps you`ll have to bring some indefensible evidence to the table to even try and muster a plausible explanation as to your conclusions.
The next witness My `Lud.
It's a joke of a paper with poor journalism and editorial standards. I'm amazed that you can continue to defend the indefensible Oakie.
Davs 19
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Blue Mist said:This thread is on its last legs, no way will it reach 100 pages.
I think it might you know....
Davs 19 said:oakiecokie said:de niro said:So it's a no then?
What`s a "no" ?? Their motive ?? Who the fuck knows and cares.Lets start a new thread called "Mengate",after all its got as much intrigue as Watergate and Plebgate.Then again that`s only for the theorists and hate mungers,which you have taken to the next level in your hatred towards the MEN.
Perhaps you`ll have to bring some indefensible evidence to the table to even try and muster a plausible explanation as to your conclusions.
The next witness My `Lud.
It's a joke of a paper with poor journalism and editorial standards. I'm amazed that you can continue to defend the indefensible Oakie.
Counsel for the defence has got to me, I'm unsure now, he seems so convincing, so certain of his position, he must know something (or someone) we dont.
It's just like 12k Angry Men and I'm the first he's got to...
...or maybe not.
oakiecokie
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Davs 19 said:oakiecokie said:de niro said:So it's a no then?
What`s a "no" ?? Their motive ?? Who the fuck knows and cares.Lets start a new thread called "Mengate",after all its got as much intrigue as Watergate and Plebgate.Then again that`s only for the theorists and hate mungers,which you have taken to the next level in your hatred towards the MEN.
Perhaps you`ll have to bring some indefensible evidence to the table to even try and muster a plausible explanation as to your conclusions.
The next witness My `Lud.
It's a joke of a paper with poor journalism and editorial standards. I'm amazed that you can continue to defend the indefensible Oakie.
I think you need to read my responses on this topic,which may surprise you,that I have definatly NOT defended them on this issue.
Davs 19
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oakiecokie said:Davs 19 said:oakiecokie said:What`s a "no" ?? Their motive ?? Who the fuck knows and cares.Lets start a new thread called "Mengate",after all its got as much intrigue as Watergate and Plebgate.Then again that`s only for the theorists and hate mungers,which you have taken to the next level in your hatred towards the MEN.
Perhaps you`ll have to bring some indefensible evidence to the table to even try and muster a plausible explanation as to your conclusions.
The next witness My `Lud.
It's a joke of a paper with poor journalism and editorial standards. I'm amazed that you can continue to defend the indefensible Oakie.
I think you need to read my responses on this topic,which may surprise you,that I have definatly NOT defended them on this issue.
In that case, you have my apologies.
gordondaviesmoustache
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I'm with you Davs. There's bound to be some post-Lynch fallout this weekend as the paper makes some clumsy attempt to ingratiate itself with the fans. Or not. Either way it's still got legs imo.Davs 19 said:Blue Mist said:This thread is on its last legs, no way will it reach 100 pages.
I think it might you know....
bluemike
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Oh yes it will.Blue Mist said:This thread is on its last legs, no way will it reach 100 pages.
BertTrautmann'sParachute
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Given Pellegrini has received the manager of the month award for the second successive time, I'm expecting a story from Lynch tomorrow telling us why Moyes is the better manager. God knows where he'll put the red circles.....
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Too late.gordondaviesmoustache said:I'm with you Davs. There's bound to be some post-Lynch fallout this weekend as the paper makes some clumsy attempt to ingratiate itself with the fans. Or not. Either way it's still got legs imo.Davs 19 said:Blue Mist said:This thread is on its last legs, no way will it reach 100 pages.
I think it might you know....
As Johnny Matthis once sang (paraphrased of course) "I've gone, gone, gone, gone, gone…"
de niro said:n_mcfc said:Overreaction of the year this.
Shite article. Move on.
Yet another one that doesn't get it.
The article IS shite but the real issue here is why was it allowed to go to print?
Nobody from the muen has come out and answered that question.
What was their motive?
Because the MEN has deemed it ok to print. That tells me that the MEN's editor has dropped a ball/made an error/been shit as well.
Stuart Brennan has immediately released a counter-article, which was deemed ok to print, which tells me that the MEN editor has recognised that he's dropped a ball/made an error/been shit as well.
It doesn't tell me, at all, that the MEN is biased, intends to piss off City fans and actively dislikes City as a club and its fans. That's an overreaction.
Every gobshite has an opinion on football these days. Every gobshite has a blog/Twitter account. Some of them are God awful and their arguments lack any evidence and strength. People are now actively looking for attention with what they write and almost tweet/write diplomatically as if their opinion is an overriding confirmation of truth and the final word. It's cack. Absolutely cack.
This Lynch bloke has tried to think critically here and made a balls up. He'll maintain his stance for a while but ultimately he'll look back on this article in about 6 months time and think, "Fuckinell. That was shite." - Look at the other stuff he writes. It's all 'no substance' other than the odd 'opinion column' and it's almost Adrian Durham-like but a bit more sophisticated.
It's all about looking at the evidence, coming up with an 'original' point/opinion on it, then proving it. He's not proven anything. Red circles on 10 empty seats at a sold out match does not prove anything. His argument lacks substance and evidence. It's basically something you'd get a teacher shaking their head at.
It's not anti-City. It's just shite.
Roberto Manciti
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Website holdthefrontpage.co.uk featured a prominent account of this debacle (lead story?) on Friday, February 7th. This website ("the home of UK regional journalism news and jobs") is the go-to online 'trade journal' for those working within the regional newspaper industry.
The prominence afforded to this story clearly demonstrates that professional journalists within the industry itself recognise the scale of the misjudgment exhibited by the M.E.N. in this case. That Lynch's factually baseless story actually made it to publication at a big city title as prominent as the M.E.N. is today the talking point of professional journalists across the UK.
The M.E.N. editor Rob Irvine is relatively new to the job having taken up his position in April 2012. It must be a deep humiliation for him personally to see this debacle embarrass the M.E.N. so soon into his watch. His poor judgment (inexperience?) in electing to ride out the storm with ill-considered bluster and a bravado-heavy tweet backing the offending article will also raise eyebrows amongst his colleagues in a close-knit industry. Never apologise? There are times when an apology is the smarter course. Trinity Mirror will be aware of this. Not a smart career move. However, credit to Stuart Brennan for his astute firefighting.
Aside from the specifics of the Lynch article, it is widely recognised across UK regional journalism that the primary driver of newspaper sales is in-depth coverage of the local professional soccer team(s). To undermine the local club(s) with excessive negativity is most unwise from a business point of view. But to publish an article which fundamentally attacks a club widely supported by much of its readership - based upon data flawed to an extreme degree - simply defies all logic. It is as if the newspaper has a deathwish.
As for Mr Lynch, the whole UK regional newspaper industry is now acutely aware of the damage his factually baseless article has wrought. He too can spout his bravado via Twitter, but the fact is that those who matter in his industry are now well aware of his track record. His ill-researched work has proven toxic at the M.E.N. Other editors will take note.
The prominence afforded to this story clearly demonstrates that professional journalists within the industry itself recognise the scale of the misjudgment exhibited by the M.E.N. in this case. That Lynch's factually baseless story actually made it to publication at a big city title as prominent as the M.E.N. is today the talking point of professional journalists across the UK.
The M.E.N. editor Rob Irvine is relatively new to the job having taken up his position in April 2012. It must be a deep humiliation for him personally to see this debacle embarrass the M.E.N. so soon into his watch. His poor judgment (inexperience?) in electing to ride out the storm with ill-considered bluster and a bravado-heavy tweet backing the offending article will also raise eyebrows amongst his colleagues in a close-knit industry. Never apologise? There are times when an apology is the smarter course. Trinity Mirror will be aware of this. Not a smart career move. However, credit to Stuart Brennan for his astute firefighting.
Aside from the specifics of the Lynch article, it is widely recognised across UK regional journalism that the primary driver of newspaper sales is in-depth coverage of the local professional soccer team(s). To undermine the local club(s) with excessive negativity is most unwise from a business point of view. But to publish an article which fundamentally attacks a club widely supported by much of its readership - based upon data flawed to an extreme degree - simply defies all logic. It is as if the newspaper has a deathwish.
As for Mr Lynch, the whole UK regional newspaper industry is now acutely aware of the damage his factually baseless article has wrought. He too can spout his bravado via Twitter, but the fact is that those who matter in his industry are now well aware of his track record. His ill-researched work has proven toxic at the M.E.N. Other editors will take note.
A regional daily newspaper came under fire from fans of a premiership football club after publishing an article about empty seats at its biggest game of the season.
The Manchester Evening News reported that Manchester City’s top-of-the-table clash with Chelsea on Monday was played out in front of a less than full Etihad Stadium and warned that the club should be careful over expansion plans as a result.
The article, written by sports reporter David Lynch, was accompanied by a screen-grab image from Match of the Day 2 with unfilled seats circled in red.
But it prompted an angry backlash from fans after being posted on the website of Bluemoon-MCFC – an unofficial Manchester City forum – with supporters accusing the paper of “stunning ignorance.”
David’s piece state that the number of empty seats at the Etihad Stadium was “the elephant in the room that City fans must confront without a nudge from their neighbours if Sheikh Mansour’s plans to build the biggest club in the world are to bear fruit.”
“If the stadium is not full during a high-profile clash against the club’s most credible title rivals then questions quite simply have to be asked,” he wrote.
“There were swathes of empty seats visible on television, and it’s not hard to believe that some out of the gaze of the viewer might also have been.
“It makes talk of increasing the capacity to 60,000+ look like utter folly.”
It prompted a number of angry responses from City fans who took to the Bluemoon forum to air their views.
One Manchester City fan, writing under the name of Damocles, wrote: “That is stunning in it’s ignorance. Really, I’m actually stunned that this is printed in a newspaper. I see the idea of quality control has just disappeared from the MEN.”
Fellow City fan Sefiruso added: “This is just embarrassing, to think this guy gets paid to write some drivel offends me more than what he actually wrote.
“Not everyone can shift sell or even give away their seat to someone they trust and this happens at all premier league grounds especially for midweek games.”
Fame at last Damo.
Interesting to read some of the comments. When someone who hates your club and everything it stands for can see just how ridiculous and self harming this article was, you get a sense of the scale of the MEN's fuck up.
Ian Halstead said:Most football fans loathe the way Mansour’s billions have transformed City from a floundering failure into a global brand, picking up oceans of plastics along the way, and in that context, empty seats will always be the catalyst for an anti-City jibe.
However, for an MEN sports reporter to take the mick, and to make the absurd ‘connection’ between a few empty seats and Mansour’s latest expansion plans, suggests a distinct lack of objectivity.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/2014/news/newspaper-faces-fans-backlash-over-empty-seat-claim/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/2014/ ... eat-claim/</a>
I'm sure the MEN didn't expect this much fallout from their snidey article.
TCIB
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I think this will make 100 pages.