Mancini write-up by Didsbury Dave

[Exeter Blue I am here]

The fact that 38 page thread can be created on talking about a particular poster or 2- not so much the article written- but the individual who wrote it, is unbelievable.

He's being knocked for being obsessed with Mancini (his faults)- yet most on here seem obsessed with him.

He's a person who writes on a forum. I wouldn't be surprised if the words 'dismal dave' were mentioned on here more than most of our players names, barring Dzeko, and Balotelli before he left.

If someone writes a bad book it's usually the author that gets slated. Besides that people have commented on the content - and apart from about 6 posters the rest of haven't found it to be a masterpiece of critical evaluation.

It isn't exactly a masterpiece: it contains quite a few cliches and the turd analogy at the beginning is a bit strong but the article highlights what was wrong with Mancini's management style. Autocracy only works whilst you are successful and if you 're seen to be achieving less than you should then the manager's position is immediately challenged. Individual events like public criticism of players and dragging Boateng to Ukraine to when we had enough defensive cover alienates individuals and only lowers team morale.

There is also a widely held belief that "outers" were always calling for Mancini's head from the day he was appointed however that is not true; I was firmly behind Mancini up until the CL debacle this season. I tried to remain positive and upbeat but I think it was after the Ajax away game, I realised Mancini was n't up to scratch and there was no positive to take and there was nothing but false hope left.

I also suggested Rafa as an alternative prior to his appointment at Chelsea and was ridiculed for doing so; he now has an improved European record whilst Mancini has an appalling record even against the poorer teams in the Europa league.

Likewise. It was a gradual dawning. Up until Jan/Feb 2012 I thought he was the best thing since sliced bread, despite the relative ease with which we had been despatched by Napoli and Munich, and Kiev before that, but an increasing number of teams since have concentrated on thwarting us with the same high press and parked bus tactics, and often as not we've been found wanting, without any sign that Bobby (who'd spent £230m on his squad, on top of what Hughesless had splashed out) had anything resembling an answer. Everton, Liverpool, Swansea, Sunderland, Southampton, plus virtually every Chimps League opponent, it got to the stage that you knew how the game would pan out before a ball had even been kicked. Wigan in the cup final, just 3 weeks after they'd played the exact same way against us in a league game, was a bridge of incompetence too far.
I was quite happy with Mancini's hard nosed approach to his players initially, but as DD says, management by attrition is only ever sustainable for a short period before it blows up in your face at the first sign of loss of form. For the doubters, do you really think Khaldoon would have made such a decision if there wasn't a monumental problem brewing? In the end he had to go (with thanks from the majority, myself included), and we should now look forward to a new era......hopefully with Mr Pellegrini at the helm

 

[taconinja]

Do people think the club are making things up? As I've already said, you won't hear any more from the club than they feel they need to repair any PR damage, despite there being a lot more to say.

But to go back to DD's article, it's a typical scenario on Bluemoon. Someone comes out with a well-written piece or post and rather than reply in the same vein, as intelligent adults, the nay-sayers belittle and insult the OP in a stream of uncritical, negative drivel.

Can I make a suggestion? If you don't agree with what Dave has written (which he'll have no problem with I can assure you) then feel free to produce your own well-written and carefully argued piece on why you think it was the wrong decision. LT is always looking for good and even thought-provoking or even plain provocative articles to publish and would be grateful for your input.

I highlighted that for you PB..as you seem to have a real problem..

Im sorry but just because a piece is well written doesnt make it any good, every blog ever written only states the obvious.... Im sure Mein Kampf was well written..

Its the subject matter that pisses folks off..all the prancing around wont change the fact that Dave wanted Bob out..

He could have said.."bob was shit good riddance"....but that doesnt have the effect Dave was looking for..

Why have a soap when you can have epic drama..

And I've hightlighted something for you.

It's not well-written.

 

[samharris]

Do people think the club are making things up? As I've already said, you won't hear any more from the club than they feel they need to repair any PR damage, despite there being a lot more to say.

But to go back to DD's article, it's a typical scenario on Bluemoon. Someone comes out with a well-written piece or post and rather than reply in the same vein, as intelligent adults, the nay-sayers belittle and insult the OP in a stream of uncritical, negative drivel.

Can I make a suggestion? If you don't agree with what Dave has written (which he'll have no problem with I can assure you) then feel free to produce your own well-written and carefully argued piece on why you think it was the wrong decision. LT is always looking for good and even thought-provoking or even plain provocative articles to publish and would be grateful for your input.

I highlighted that for you PB..as you seem to have a real problem..

Im sorry but just because a piece is well written doesnt make it any good, every blog ever written only states the obvious.... Im sure Mein Kampf was well written..

Its the subject matter that pisses folks off..all the prancing around wont change the fact that Dave wanted Bob out..

He could have said.."bob was shit good riddance"....but that doesnt have the effect Dave was looking for..

Why have a soap when you can have epic drama..

And I've hightlighted something for you.

Oh ffs PB. get real.. do you really think for one fucking minute Dave didnt know what sort of reaction that piece would get..??

well hes getting it and many are having hissy fits defending him..

So stop having a hissy fit and accept the forum for what it is..


Its a woman fest.. and everyone fookin loves it...

Id like to be articulate but really cant be fucking arsed...

;)

 

[Rocket-footed kolarov]

If someone writes a bad book it's usually the author that gets slated. Besides that people have commented on the content - and apart from about 6 posters the rest of haven't found it to be a masterpiece of critical evaluation.

It isn't exactly a masterpiece: it contains quite a few cliches and the turd analogy at the beginning is a bit strong but the article highlights what was wrong with Mancini's management style. Autocracy only works whilst you are successful and if you 're seen to be achieving less than you should then the manager's position is immediately challenged. Individual events like public criticism of players and dragging Boateng to Ukraine to when we had enough defensive cover alienates individuals and only lowers team morale.

There is also a widely held belief that "outers" were always calling for Mancini's head from the day he was appointed however that is not true; I was firmly behind Mancini up until the CL debacle this season. I tried to remain positive and upbeat but I think it was after the Ajax away game, I realised Mancini was n't up to scratch and there was no positive to take and there was nothing but false hope left.

I also suggested Rafa as an alternative prior to his appointment at Chelsea and was ridiculed for doing so; he now has an improved European record whilst Mancini has an appalling record even against the poorer teams in the Europa league.

Likewise. It was a gradual dawning. Up until Jan/Feb 2012 I thought he was the best thing since sliced bread, despite the relative ease with which we had been despatched by Napoli and Munich, and Kiev before that, but an increasing number of teams since have concentrated on thwarting us with the same high press and parked bus tactics, and often as not we've been found wanting, without any sign that Bobby (who'd spent £230m on his squad, on top of what Hughesless had splashed out) had anything resembling an answer. Everton, Liverpool, Swansea, Sunderland, Southampton, plus virtually every Chimps League opponent, it got to the stage that you knew how the game would pan out before a ball had even been kicked. Wigan in the cup final, just 3 weeks after they'd played the exact same way against us in a league game, was a bridge of incompetence too far.
I was quite happy with Mancini's hard nosed approach to his players initially, but as DD says, management by attrition is only ever sustainable for a short period before it blows up in your face at the first sign of loss of form. For the doubters, do you really think Khaldoon would have made such a decision if there wasn't a monumental problem brewing? In the end he had to go (with thanks from the majority, myself included), and we should now look forward to a new era......hopefully with Mr Pellegrini at the helm

I think his tactical ineptitude was highlighted most in European away games; he only had to draw in Napoli last season and we would have gone through, along with that there is defeats in EL in Lisbon, Kyiv and Poznan.
Bizarre decisions like playing Clichy at RB made times when we were playing poorly a whole lot worse.

 

[OB1]

Like Billy has stated,its been open fucking season on the board members who dared go against the grain,or more appropriately,the schoolyard bullies.
Now its been proved Mancini wasn't the second coming and wasn't competent enough to progress our club,the same characters want the matter brushed aside and 'a truce called' because they've had a proper cyber slapping.

Well life isn't like that, you reap what you sow and bullies always get their dues.

Fair play to DD, not only a cracking article, you've also managed to empty the sewers........

I agree with those that say all this bickering between posters about posters rather than debating football issues is tiresome but unless people stop, other people will keep commenting and we end up on a holistic trajectory with it.

I'm of a similar mind to Billy: "You want a stationary target which doesn't swing back, you're in the wrong place." I believe that wherever I've had a go at other posters it has been retaliatory (albeit often in support of other posters); if I've genuinely thrown the first stone at anyone, I apologize wholeheartedly.

I have not followed the Mancini debate on here since the start. However, when I started following it, I was not a confirmed Outer, nor an Inner, but it did seem to me that there was a ridiculous amount of abuse and just plain unreasonable responses directed at the Outers / Cabal. People being vilified and ridiculed for having an opinion that was not popular but an opinion that has been shown to line-up with that of key people at the club. No wonder there are some I told you so's going about.

 

[bernabias home shirt]

The fact that 38 page thread can be created on talking about a particular poster or 2- not so much the article written- but the individual who wrote it, is unbelievable.

He's being knocked for being obsessed with Mancini (his faults)- yet most on here seem obsessed with him.

He's a person who writes on a forum. I wouldn't be surprised if the words 'dismal dave' were mentioned on here more than most of our players names, barring Dzeko, and Balotelli before he left.

If someone writes a bad book it's usually the author that gets slated. Besides that people have commented on the content - and apart from about 6 posters the rest of haven't found it to be a masterpiece of critical evaluation.

Whilst I have broadly agreed with Dave's sentiments over the last couple of months on the Mancini thread, I was never quite so adamant about sacking him (I think I put myself at about 65:35 in terms of showing the manager the door). With regards the oft trumpeted "inners" notion that only about half a dozen posters agree with Dave though, the recent BM poll on sacking Mancini closed at 66:34 against (646 votes to 330). So out to the tune of 324 then I'm afraid.......

Tbh mate
I think the f a cup altered peoples opinions on mancini
Iirc ric said he would never do a poll after a win or a loss as peoples views would be swayed on the last result,which i would agree with
If we had won the match on saturday or he did the poll before the f a cup final do you think the figure would of been 330?

 

[Skashion]

Are we honestly seeing posters having a woman over whether things get personal on here? Yes, they do, and we get on with it. Didsbury Dave has been as guilty as anyone of belittling people who don't share his views so trying to pretend he's some kind of bullying victim is hilariously stupid and probably isn't a position he endorses himself, and if he does, he's a hypocrite of the highest order.

 

[jay_mcfc]

Like Billy has stated,its been open fucking season on the board members who dared go against the grain,or more appropriately,the schoolyard bullies.
Now its been proved Mancini wasn't the second coming and wasn't competent enough to progrees our club,the same characters want the matter brushed aside and 'a truce called' because they've had a proper cyber slapping.

Well life isn't like that,you reap what you sow and bullies always get their dues.

Fair play to DD,not only a cracking article,you've also managed to empty the sewers........

As has always been the case on this site and always will be both sides are as bad as each other. Both sides give as good as they get and both sides have been 'cyber slapped' at various times.

It really makes me piss when people start playing the victims on here. It also makes me piss that some people cannot see that Mancini is gone. Yes lots of shit has gone on but the main reason for this has now left. If you don't understand the reasons for a 'truce' then no problem, but there's no need to act like a ****

 

[Ric]

I'm sure Dave knew the reaction his article would provoke, and will be enjoying it. I don't personally share his view, but everyone's entitled to their opinions. It'd be a dull place if everyone agreed.

There is some rank hypocrisy on both sides though when it comes to accusations of bullying, smugness and belittling other posters' opinions.

 

[Lucky Toma]

Earlier in this thread PB suggested to those criticising Didsbury Dave that, instead of sniping, they could perhaps write a counter-arguement to his piece.

Skashion got in touch and said he'd done precisely that.

Here it is in the Cutter now - <a class="postlink" href="http://www.thedaisycutter.co.uk/2013/05/mancini-in-defence-of-stability/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.thedaisycutter.co.uk/2013/05 ... stability/</a>

I'm guessing the 'inners' will whole-heartedly agree whilst the 'outers' will scoff.

Personally I believe both have valid points to make and make them well.