Manuel Pellegrini (cont)

[tolmie's hairdoo]

When the players knew Mancini was out, they were able to ease off.

Now some of our players know their time is up, they again lack the required level of intensity and motivation.

The by-product of that is the manager suffers the fall-out.

We are seeing the tail-wind of a variety of transfer regimes, from Hughes right through to Txiki/Pellegrini.

It's a patchwork quilt of those who shined, those who whined, those who thrived, and those who should never have been.

Pellegrini is the biggest and most unfortunate recipient of all that.

The only cure can be a clear decisiveness.

An acknowledge of the faults of everyone, and yet an emotional detachment, regardless of what has gone before, in terms of moving forward as a team for the next few years.

That goes for Yaya, Silva, Kompany, whoever.

It's a judgement call that can only be made by the 'informed'

I'm uncomfortable that one man in Txiki, football man or not, seemingly being the absolute overlord over whether a City team is successful or not.

He either trusts Pellegrini with the keys to the vault, or a dismissal HAS TO BE MADE.

His team selections and insistence on 442 isnt down to the players. Nice bloke that he seems, his constant playing of a 442 against teams that flood their central area`s to win is the root of all his and our problems. We get away with this most of the time because the individual quality we have on pitch, dig us out of a hole of Pelligrini`s making. His team selections have been nothing short of shambolic.

I travel with a supporters branch to both home and aways and have lost count of the times groans have rung out on hearing Pelligrini`s team selections. I`m sure anybody whole travels in a large group will back this up, it cant just be our branch

I`m also not happy with the messiah Txiki`s transer business since joining our club either, although to some extent his spending has been hampered by ffp which of course it was designed and evolved to do.

Pellegrini won two trophies in his first season playing 442, so you can perhaps possibly make a case that he has firm evidence of its success.

He continually stresses the word trust in his player.

Whilst him picking 442 isn't down the players, those same players can't suddenly throw their hands up in the air and state it's a flawed system, when Pellegrini can just point them in the direction of the medals in their back pocket.

My assessment is Pellegrini trusts a little too much and it is some of the players, whether down to fitness, age or being disgruntled, who have downgraded the effectiveness of a 442.

For me, systems are just another convenient caveat when things don't work out the way you want them to in competitive sport.

It will always be about desire, intensity and application. 442 against Leicester, 442 against United, the only difference can be all of those attributes.

45,000 against Stoke, 45,000 against United, what is the vast difference between the two atmospheres?

It simply comes down to it mattering all the more and people being up for it.

Quite obviously, you also need to recognise the shortcomings of your personnel, and apply them accordingly.

My view is the manager has been hanging on, pretty much like our supporters, that things would eventually turn for the better, based on what has gone before.

 

[simon23]

Bloody hell TH all this sounds a bit negative......

Are we in some sort of trouble recruitment wise of players in the summer......you are soundling like we could end up having to get rid of players like silva and aguero?

I undestand the reasons why Yaya will go as you have said before

Whats your take on what will happen transfer wise and team set up wise for next season...any ideas at all?

 

[without a dream]

Anyone who oversees any of Silva, Aguero or Kompany leaving the club is going to have a hell of job getting the fans back on side. I really hope that TH isn't hinting at any of their departures.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Bloody hell TH all this sounds a bit negative......

Are we in some sort of trouble recruitment wise of players in the summer......you are soundling like we could end up having to get rid of players like silva and aguero?

I undestand the reasons why Yaya will go as you have said before

Whats your take on what will happen transfer wise and team set up wise for next season...any ideas at all?

I don't see my postings as negative, more trying to rationale what, why and how things are going to be addressed.

My argument is simply that if Pellegrini is now considered the wrong man by many, then the wider concern must be that Txiki's judgement must also be more fundamentally scrutinised, as the man who appointed him.

I'm not sure where you can construe sales of Aguero or Silva, outside of my statement that all players should be under the microscope, regardless of the emotional attachments?

Yaya's name has been punted around clubs, but if the club say he is staying then that will be it.

Nice try, though, attempting to hoodwink transfer gossip ;)

 

[Musampa 209]

I'm still on the fence with him. 442 can clearly work for this squad as seen last season and the players need to take blame for a number of the performances this season.

Still though, if we played 5 in midfield against Barca and Liverpool and not conceded early on our confidence wouldn't be shot and i'm pretty sure it wouldn't be looking as bleak as it is now for us. He needs to realise that mentally we aren't the same as last year and stop being naive in his selections, it's probably too little to late now though.

 

[simon23]

Bloody hell TH all this sounds a bit negative......

Are we in some sort of trouble recruitment wise of players in the summer......you are soundling like we could end up having to get rid of players like silva and aguero?

I undestand the reasons why Yaya will go as you have said before

Whats your take on what will happen transfer wise and team set up wise for next season...any ideas at all?

I don't see my postings as negative, more trying to rationale what, why and how things are going to be addressed.

My argument is simply that if Pellegrini is now considered the wrong man by many, then the wider concern must be that Txiki's judgement must also be more fundamentally scrutinised, as the man who appointed him.

I'm not sure where you can construe sales of Aguero or Silva, outside of my statement that all players should be under the microscope, regardless of the emotional attachments?

Yaya's name has been punted around clubs, but if the club say he is staying then that will be it.

Nice try, though, attempting to hoodwink transfer gossip ;)

Hahaha.....honestly that wasnt my intention......you have mentioned Yaya before...is it us or his agent punting his name around clubs

AS for the likes of Silva, kompany zabba and aguero then i dont see any reason to sell them as they are the tpe of players that can pretty much fit into any system of playing along with the likes of milner

I agree on Txixi being scrutinised and I just dont get why MP sticks rigidly to his one way of playing when the players he has fit into other systems better....is this a directive from above or is it MP that decides this........Is txixi at risk short term ( i cannt imagine he is ) but long term I guess anyone is at risk...even Khaldoon (not that i would want anyone else to represent our club as he is the perfect figure head in my opinion).

We do need a massive overhaul of our squad with as far as i can see the following going :

Dzeko
kolorov
Yaya (dont want him to go but he probably has to)
Lampard (obviously)
Navas
Milner (as with yaya but he seems to want to go/not sign)
Fernando

We need mobile strong midfielders and its a huge area we need to bring players in this summer..........

the question is will it be MP and Txixi that overseas this or Txixi and another manager...would a new manager mean a change in direction/style of play and who is it that is deciding that at present?

 

[halfcenturyup]

I am a bit confused honestly. The DOF role is to ensure consistency and continuity presumably with seemless transitions from one squad of players to another. If you are saying that many key players now know "their time is up", why on earth haven't steps already been taken before they "know". I am happy to assume the guy knows what he is doing, prima facie, but if you add that to the recruitment in the summer his performance doesn't look so rosy Or, what you say isn't happening. One or the other, it seems to me.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Bloody hell TH all this sounds a bit negative......

Are we in some sort of trouble recruitment wise of players in the summer......you are soundling like we could end up having to get rid of players like silva and aguero?

I undestand the reasons why Yaya will go as you have said before

Whats your take on what will happen transfer wise and team set up wise for next season...any ideas at all?

I don't see my postings as negative, more trying to rationale what, why and how things are going to be addressed.

My argument is simply that if Pellegrini is now considered the wrong man by many, then the wider concern must be that Txiki's judgement must also be more fundamentally scrutinised, as the man who appointed him.

I'm not sure where you can construe sales of Aguero or Silva, outside of my statement that all players should be under the microscope, regardless of the emotional attachments?

Yaya's name has been punted around clubs, but if the club say he is staying then that will be it.

Nice try, though, attempting to hoodwink transfer gossip ;)

Hahaha.....honestly that wasnt my intention......you have mentioned Yaya before...is it us or his agent punting his name around clubs

AS for the likes of Silva, kompany zabba and aguero then i dont see any reason to sell them as they are the tpe of players that can pretty much fit into any system of playing along with the likes of milner

I agree on Txixi being scrutinised and I just dont get why MP sticks rigidly to his one way of playing when the players he has fit into other systems better....is this a directive from above or is it MP that decides this........Is txixi at risk short term ( i cannt imagine he is ) but long term I guess anyone is at risk...even Khaldoon (not that i would want anyone else to represent our club as he is the perfect figure head in my opinion).

We do need a massive overhaul of our squad with as far as i can see the following going :

Dzeko
kolorov
Yaya (dont want him to go but he probably has to)
Lampard (obviously)
Navas
Milner (as with yaya but he seems to want to go/not sign)
Fernando

We need mobile strong midfielders and its a huge area we need to bring players in this summer..........

the question is will it be MP and Txixi that overseas this or Txixi and another manager...would a new manager mean a change in direction/style of play and who is it that is deciding that at present?

It is Yaya's agent doing the punting.

Sadly, I can't answer some of your questions because I simply don't know, and doubt many would outside of a privileged four or five.

I'm just a cook.

Oh, but there is no God. Nothing.

I'm certain nobody can prove me wrong on that score ;)

 

[dancity19]

Anyone who oversees any of Silva, Aguero or Kompany leaving the club is going to have a hell of job getting the fans back on side. I really hope that TH isn't hinting at any of their departures.

I don't think he was getting at that!! If we sell Aguero, we would be going backwards. He is probably in the top 5 players in the world, and is getting better. Where I do worry slightly is the player recruitment to keep him motivated. We need to sign more players on the level of him and silva. I'm not saying a team full of them, but we need to continue to show ambition. We haven't made a signing like aguero, since we bought aguero.....

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

I am a bit confused honestly. The DOF role is to ensure consistency and continuity presumably with seemless transitions from one squad of players to another. If you are saying that many key players now know "their time is up", why on earth haven't steps already been taken before they "know". I am happy to assume the guy knows what he is doing, prima facie, but if you add that to the recruitment in the summer his performance doesn't look so rosy Or, what you say isn't happening. One or the other, it seems to me.

Or they don't expect to be here, for one reason or another.

As you rightly state, it would be folly for any club to tell players they are deadwood during the course of a season, although Jovetic doesn't have to be a genius to work that one out.

The exception to the rule is Milner who cannot be accused of a downgrade, regardless of whether rated or not, with him having a fair idea what his future may hold.

If what I am suggesting, isn't happening, then we have bigger problems than anyone could ever envisage.

Because with two months of the season left, players have not ascertained their positions, whether in their own minds or with agents, and this summer will be a painful one in trying to get rid, because it has come as this great big shock they are no longer required.

Livelihoods are at stake and the money involved ensures the above point, moot.

In reality, 'their time is up' is just my figure of speech, a potential factor as to why the desire and intensity is not there in a previously successful 442.

All we have is assumption, as you say, with regards Txiki's aptitude to get it right.

But any sacking of Pellegrini, coupled with some questionable signings, would lend itself to the feeling he has got this part of the masterplan wrong.