Media Discussion - 2023/24

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The thing is, net spend is dumb. It's compeltely fucking meaningless and it assumes that zero is the right amount for a football club to spend...on football players...that play football. It would be like an IT department spending zero on hardware for 10 years and wanting an award for it.

However, it's getting so fucking boring hearing people loudly proclaim how shit net spend is now that City's is one of the "best" of the big clubs, when lots of us spent 2008-2018ish saying such and being shouted down by a bunch of top 4 supporting knobheads who thought it was the be all and end all of football fairness.


If someone had the wherewithall, pettiness and time, a great compiltion could be made of pundits, journalists and ex-players doing a complete 180 on net spend simply because it's no longer a stick to beat City with.

The frugal cup and moral high ground isn't the same as winning a treble :)
 
Love your first sentance deffo reusing that if you don't mind
I've been saying this (that net spend is a meaningless metric) for ages. My analogy involves two people going into a Porsche showroom, one with a 10-year-old Ford Focus and the other with a 1-year-old Porsche. Both trade their cars in and come out with an identical new model.

The net spend will be hugely higher for the former than the latter, but they've both got exactly the same in the end. It all depends where you start from. Also the longer the period you're comparing it over, the more inflation comes into it.

It also doesn't take into account (over a short period) players who need to be replaced. So if a player leaves and you spend £50m to replace him, that's a £50m net spend if he leaves at the end of his contract. If a player leaves 3 years into a 5-year contract and you get £30m for him, that's a £20m net spend but you're in exactly the same position, as you've replaced one player with a £50m one. There's no context in a bare net spend figure.

There are at least 3 better metrics to make financial comparisons with.
  • Wages plus amortisation
  • Total squad cost
  • 'Free' cash reinvested in the squad (that is, how much actual cash, after paying operating expenses but including player sales revenue, do you spend on new players)
All of these are quantifiable from club accounts (although that last one takes a bit of work).

One example I uncovered from my analysis of the so-called 'big 6' accounts is that Spurs, up to relatively recently, only spent on new players what they received for outgoing players. Whereas all the other five clubs used additional cash generated from their operations (and we generally generate £100m or more from ours, which we fully reinvest).

The only time net spend would be a factor in a club's calculation is when they decide they've got a fixed sum to spend in a window, and any additional spending will have to be financed by player sales. But that will be a season-by-season, even window-by-window decision.
 
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According to Simon "Freeloader" Stone that net spend doesn't count,

"A substantial factor in bringing their figure down to £259m has been their ability to sell players such as Gabriel Jesus, Oleksandr Zinchenko, Riyad Mahrez, Aymeric Laporte and Cole Palmer for huge sums.

None of these players would be regarded as automatic first choices and while they are part of the City journey, without them they are closing on becoming the first side since the English league was created in 1888 to win the top flight four seasons in a row".
Net spend was their go to attack dog until we started to rise up the table, now it’s irrelevant and the figures are not to be trusted
 
The bbc - happy to post shit like this on their main football page. They're a national fucking disgrace

"Like Natalie Imbruglia, I'm torn. On the one hand, I don't want them lot up the road to win the title, but on the other I'm not happy with a team that has 115 charges against them winning the league again. Feels like cheaters might be able to prosper..."

Matt, a conflicted Tottenham fan

My reply of "Fuck off Matt you ****." in response is unlikely to make it i think.
 
The bbc - happy to post shit like this on their main football page. They're a national fucking disgrace

"Like Natalie Imbruglia, I'm torn. On the one hand, I don't want them lot up the road to win the title, but on the other I'm not happy with a team that has 115 charges against them winning the league again. Feels like cheaters might be able to prosper..."

Matt, a conflicted Tottenham fan

My reply of "Fuck off Matt you ****." in response is unlikely to make it i think.

I mean… you might not like it but there’s nothing incorrect in that comment, it’s a perfectly valid opinion for a spurs fan to have and there’s no reason why the BBC wouldn’t put it up when asking for input from Spurs fans in tonight’s game.

That is how 90% of football fans outside of the Manchester City fanbase think, if you can’t handle it then why are you going to a page that advertises that it’s going to share what fans say as part of the match buildup?

You’ve chosen to go somewhere to hear and see fan opinions and are throwing a hissy fit because you heard a fan opinion you didn’t like. Remind me why that’s the BBCs fault?
 
The thing is, net spend is dumb. It's compeltely fucking meaningless and it assumes that zero is the right amount for a football club to spend...on football players...that play football. It would be like an IT department spending zero on hardware for 10 years and wanting an award for it.

However, it's getting so fucking boring hearing people loudly proclaim how shit net spend is now that City's is one of the "best" of the big clubs, when lots of us spent 2008-2018ish saying such and being shouted down by a bunch of top 4 supporting knobheads who thought it was the be all and end all of football fairness.


If someone had the wherewithall, pettiness and time, a great compiltion could be made of pundits, journalists and ex-players doing a complete 180 on net spend simply because it's no longer a stick to beat City with.
Net spend counts in PSR calculations so it’s far from dumb, without the player sales we couldn’t have bought all the players we have, some yes but not all.
 
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