Media thread 2022/23

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SebastianBlue said:
He has no doubt drafted, edited, and submitted that article via devices that are only possible (and affordable enough for him, his company, and infrastructure more generally to purchase at scale) via effectively slave labour and abject corruption/maleficence in various countries at nearly every phase of production. In some cases, literally directly perpetuated by the parent conglomerates of the media outlets.

And—to be clear—that apathy to the suffering of others to support our lifestyle is a cross we all bear.

But the self-righteous hypocrisy, that so often goes unexposed and unchallenged, is one of the most deeply infuriating aspects of the entire organised narrative.

Does the UAE have problems with Human Rights? It absolutely does. Does our owner hold some responsibility for it? I think he does, as a member of the royal family and now Vice President of the country. Do the origin nations of other owners in the league also have problems with Human Rights? They absolutely fucking do. Do some of those owners also hold some responsibility for it? They definitely do, either directly or indirectly (one only needs to look in to where their wealth to run their clubs comes from).

This is an issue across not only sport but global industry writ-large. And the UK (and later US) helped create (and in many regions, still maintains) a huge portion of it, including in the Middle East.

To fixate on our owners for problems with human rights is an exercise in naked diversion and unadulterated racism.

But the masses will swallow it whole, without critical analysis or self-reflection, because they desperately want to feel morally superior whilst forgetting their duality of being both exploited by the elite and also complicit in the exploitation of many more elsewhere in the world.

It is all jingoism, xenophobia, and quiet desperation for absolution masked in performative clickbait bullshite.

Unfortunately, it’s only likely to get worse if we win tonight.

But I am prepared for that, because fuck the racist hypocrites, City Til I Die.
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This is wrong on so many levels.

Imagine if you will that the Sheikh and the entire ruling family of the UAE were gone, overnight they just evaporated, what do you think would replace them? A Tony Blair New Labour in the sunshine?

Just look across the whole Middle East, with the exception of Israel how are gay rights doing? Cast your gaze to Africa, with the exception of South Africa how are they doing there? How about women's rights in the Middle East? How are they doing? How do you think they'd fare if the Sheikh and his family were gone? The UAE, the most liberal state in the Middle East, would suddenly flower into Noway in the sun?

I'm tired of posts like this, they are utterly divorced from reality. The idea that the world should be shaped according to a set of liberal left principles where we should feel guilt about owning a mobile phone produced by low paid third world workers, or clothes produced in sweatshops, how this is a cross we all have to bear is plainly ridiculous. The vast majority of mobile phone users, even those that are fully aware of how these devices are manufactured, feel nothing of the sort.

Seeing the world through a set of "universal human rights" drafted in the prosperous west that are neither universal or even recognised by the vast majority of folk on the planet is a perverse delusion, it fails miserably to recognise that these rights often run counter to the religious doctrines and cultural norms of the vast majority of the world's population.

I'm sure you and I would agree that the world is not as we would like it, but that does not give us carte blanche to refashion it in our image. I've no doubt you consider your post good-natured and enlightened but in reality it's nothing more than a liberal left version of the white man's burden.
 
How sad is it that the media put their allegiances over reporting the actual facts on a great sporting event, just so that they garner the sympathy and clicks off the red-top wankers.

They have nothing but spite running through their veins, hopefully it’s boiled their poor little red hearts by 10 o’clock tonight.
 
Just listened to BBC World Service's review of the final. Everytime they referred to us they stated that we were state owned .Manchester City. How fucking childish and petty. So apparently this is now our new name and The sheikh must be a state. The hate and spiteful attitude hopefully lasts long after this final because it will mean that we have won.
 
Not bad from the Mail

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But fuckin' typical from the 'I'
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eastmanc said:
He gave up being a blue donkeys years back.
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As we know, you don’t just give up being a Blue, it’s part of you. This little **** probably turned to the dark side as he was missing out on the glory with us, becoming a ‘Manchester’ football fan so that he could be in with the crowd.

Snivelling little fucker who probably never learned to wipe his own arse.
 
The perfect fumble said:
This is wrong on so many levels.

Imagine if you will that the Sheikh and the entire ruling family of the UAE were gone, overnight they just evaporated, what do you think would replace them? A Tony Blair New Labour in the sunshine?

Just look across the whole Middle East, with the exception of Israel how are gay rights doing? Cast your gaze to Africa, with the exception of South Africa how are they doing there? How about women's rights in the Middle East? How are they doing? How do you think they'd fare if the Sheikh and his family were gone? The UAE, the most liberal state in the Middle East, would suddenly flower into Noway in the sun?

I'm tired of posts like this, they are utterly divorced from reality. The idea that the world should be shaped according to a set of liberal left principles where we should feel guilt about owning a mobile phone produced by low paid third world workers, or clothes produced in sweatshops, how this is a cross we all have to bear is plainly ridiculous. The vast majority of mobile phone users, even those that are fully aware of how these devices are manufactured, feel nothing of the sort.

Seeing the world through a set of "universal human rights" drafted in the prosperous west that are neither universal or even recognised by the vast majority of folk on the planet is a perverse delusion, it fails miserably to recognise that these rights often run counter to the religious doctrines and cultural norms of the vast majority of the world's population.

I'm sure you and I would agree that the world is not as we would like it, but that does not give us carte blanche to refashion it in our image. I've no doubt you consider your post good-natured and enlightened but in reality it's nothing more than a liberal left version of the white man's burden.
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Well, apart from simultaneously misreading/misrepresenting my post (you actually agree with half my post and position) and demonstrating an underlying tenet of my position, I think it is best we don’t debate, and just agree the world can be better and there is more than enough hypocrisy to go around.

Edit: I do want to encourage you to actually look in to where the raw materials come from for the electronics and clothing you own (among other things). Much of it is sourced not from low wage workers, but from effectively slave labour (often involving children), and that has been the case for a century, long after slavery was abolished in the UK (and US), which we support indirectly with our lifestyles whilst denouncing similar travesties elsewhere. When I said slave labour, I wasn’t be hyperbolic, and it is important not to lower ourselves to likes of Delaney, Harris, and Schindler with delusional hypocrisy (or the Dippers always playing the victim) and to recognise the suffering we help perpetuate, regardless of whether we want to acknowledge our part in it based on our expedient political leanings. It is not “white man’s guilt” to recognise the west have helped create a world of exploitation and suffering for our benefit, with the true costs of the things we love and can’t live without being externalised to the global south, and we have some responsibility for improving that lot for most the world, as we can. Otherwise, we are the baddies. Ignorance, apathy, and political ideology is not an excuse for the suffering of billions of people, just as it wouldn’t be if it were your loved ones suffering.

This is something I have studied, in a professional capacity, my entire adult life and it is not something that can be debated according to alternative facts.
 
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homerdog said:
That article is basically a sob story, claiming that City only won at CAS because, to quote Karl-Heinz Cuntenigge, UEFA didn't do a great job!

The media conspirators knives are out and we haven't even won it yet!
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It's a crowded field, but this is up there with the most egregious examples I've seen in the past few years of sports hacks weighing in on the legal and business aspects of football and showing themselves to be utterly clueless on the topic. Still, Wallace did once say that David Conn's 'Richer Than God' was the best sports book he'd ever read, so the guy's clearly a moron.
 
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