Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)

[borassic]

Yup... Don't cede and we will absolutely batter you to hell and back... Choices eh?

One terrorist to another.

The only thing to say is that IF hamas had given back the innocent people they capture, world opinion would be much more sympathetic.

Hamas isn’t innocent 7 year old kids being shot trying to get food as they starve to death. If you aren’t sympathetic to that then you’re as detached as Israel

 

[tel aviv city]

I'm talking about the West Bank.

This is bridgeable — each side has its arguments for holding onto the land,
but that’s not what will prevent progress,
especially in the day after Hamas.

 

[BigJoe#1]

Another one who thinks the hostage situation is key. As pointed out by many Israel has been killing Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank with impunity for the last 20 years especially

The thing is we or maybe just I would like the killings to stop. What can be done to stop it? Bear in mind Israel are demanding their hostages are released. The options are release the Israelis will be under massive world pressure to cease the killings and allow supplies to be resumed. Else keep the hostages and be absolutely certain Gaza will continue to get battered as it has been for ages even moreso since the hostages were taken.

What, realistically are you expecting, not hoping to happen because I can be reasonably sure of two things
1, Israel aren't going to stop anytime soon, and

2. There isn't anyone going to be coming to Gazas aid.

The best option for them is to return the hostages and stop their fellow countrymen being slaughtered. There are sadly not many. Or even no alternatives.

 

[Pelegrinni]

The fantastic dea that the majority of the 50-70,000 dead in Gaza are mainly Hamas is based on what exactly? Show us the evidence...

As for those who died of natural causes, I'm lost for words.

It's interesting that you quantify a massacre at a far higher figure than the current accepted approximate figure of Palestinian deaths. Some may call that convenient.

There is, of course, no defined number for a massacre but I think most people would agree that 50-70,000 deaths would indeed constitute a massacre.

You seem quite intent on calling Hamas out and rightly so, but what about Netanyahu? Does he really care for his people or is he just trying to save his own sorry arse? After all, the families of the hostages are not convinced about his actions or motives. And neither is the International Criminal Court, who have got a warrant out for his arrest.
Seriously, does none of this remotely bother or even resonate with you?

As for your hypothesis that: "If Hamas cares, they would negotiate a safe exit from Gaza in return for freeing the remaining hostages. This would bring the war to an end immediately." ...

Again, another baseless opinion and one very few people would believe.

And as for describing a moderm nuclear state which is being bankrolled by the US to the tune of $4 billion a year systematically destroying a much smaller state and many of the people in it, a state that has no standing army and not even so much as a tank a "war" might help you to mitigate the catastrophic situation in Gaza, but it fools very few others.

The issue I have with posts like this is that there's not a single reasonable suggestion on how to end the conflict.
Instead, it's all about blaming the Jews for everything and anything.
What is your solution to end the war?

 

[Pelegrinni]

The thing is we or maybe just I would like the killings to stop. What can be done to stop it? Bear in mind Israel are demanding their hostages are released. The options are release the Israelis will be under massive world pressure to cease the killings and allow supplies to be resumed. Else keep the hostages and be absolutely certain Gaza will continue to get battered as it has been for ages even moreso since the hostages were taken.

What, realistically are you expecting, not hoping to happen because I can be reasonably sure of two things
1, Israel aren't going to stop anytime soon, and

2. There isn't anyone going to be coming to Gazas aid.

The best option for them is to return the hostages and stop their fellow countrymen being slaughtered. There are sadly not many. Or even no alternatives.

Your post is very reasonable. But this is will be ignored by the Pro Palestinian people.
it's like anything short of the complete destruction of the Jews will never be acceptable to these people.
Which is why I stated earlier that they do not care about the plight of the Palestinians. They just want to see the Jews destroyed.

 

[Pelegrinni]

Even if all that happens, Israel will continue building settlements in the West Bank, against international law, and make life difficult for Palestinians. When they inevitably rise up against this, Israel will destroy them and their towns.

We should focus on ending the bloodshed in Gaza first.
The issue surrounding the West Bank settlements can be visited when the war in Gaza is over.

 

[oldius]

Your post is very reasonable. But this is will be ignored by the Pro Palestinian people.
it's like anything short of the complete destruction of the Jews will never be acceptable to these people.
Which is why I stated earlier that they do not care about the plight of the Palestinians. They just want to see the Jews destroyed.

Jews across the globe are marching in protest at the actions of Israel.
My friend, a very prominent Jewish historian, is among them.
It is the actions of the state of Israel and the IDF that are indescribably inhumane, and ABSOLUTELY anti-Semitic.

 

[The blue phantom]

Just fuckin lol. The same tired excuse from the Zionist. I don't want to talk about the west bank.

Ffs just answer the fuckin question.

Palestinians want their land back on the West Bank should all the Settlers be removed?

Come on its a simple enough question.

 

[borassic]

The thing is we or maybe just I would like the killings to stop. What can be done to stop it? Bear in mind Israel are demanding their hostages are released. The options are release the Israelis will be under massive world pressure to cease the killings and allow supplies to be resumed. Else keep the hostages and be absolutely certain Gaza will continue to get battered as it has been for ages even moreso since the hostages were taken.

What, realistically are you expecting, not hoping to happen because I can be reasonably sure of two things
1, Israel aren't going to stop anytime soon, and

2. There isn't anyone going to be coming to Gazas aid.

The best option for them is to return the hostages and stop their fellow countrymen being slaughtered. There are sadly not many. Or even no alternatives.

You’re talking as though Israel will just stop if Hamas return the hostages, as though this hasn’t been happening for nearly a century. this won’t stop until Gaza is fully wiped out.

 

[BTH]

The issue I have with posts like this is that there's not a single reasonable suggestion on how to end the conflict.
Instead, it's all about blaming the Jews for everything and anything.
What is your solution to end the war?

I note that you insist on calling it a 'war' and ignore all my other points. Tricky I know when you've painted yourself into a corner.

But it's quite simple really. Instead of bombing everyone and everything that moves in Gaza, Netanyahu literally unconditionally stops and THEN negotiates the release of the hostages.

The idea that Netanyahu will stop his bloody genocide is highly unlikely. He seems to have a taste for it now and is no doubt buoyed by the fact that The West hasn't tried to restrain him.

Incidentally, no one mentioned anything about either Jews or blaming the Jews, except for YOU.

However, I have blamed, I am blaming and will continue to blame Netanyahu, and I look forward to him being brought to justice at The Hague in good time.

The issue I have with posts like this is that there's not a single reasonable suggestion on how to end the conflict.
Instead, it's all about blaming the Jews for everything and anything.
What is your solution to end the war?

 

[tel aviv city]

Just fuckin lol. The same tired excuse from the Zionist. I don't want to talk about the west bank.

Ffs just answer the fuckin question.

Palestinians want their land back on the West Bank should all the Settlers be removed?

Come on its a simple enough question.

Yes, very simple…
The settlers will just leave willingly — hahaha.
And then into the territory will come terrorists who aren’t even really interested in the West Bank.
Listen to the message: “From the river to the sea” —
not that they even know which river and which sea.
Stop talking like it’s all so simple.
You have absolutely no idea.
Clown

 

[BlueHammer85]

The thing is we or maybe just I would like the killings to stop. What can be done to stop it? Bear in mind Israel are demanding their hostages are released. The options are release the Israelis will be under massive world pressure to cease the killings and allow supplies to be resumed. Else keep the hostages and be absolutely certain Gaza will continue to get battered as it has been for ages even moreso since the hostages were taken.

What, realistically are you expecting, not hoping to happen because I can be reasonably sure of two things
1, Israel aren't going to stop anytime soon, and

2. There isn't anyone going to be coming to Gazas aid.

The best option for them is to return the hostages and stop their fellow countrymen being slaughtered. There are sadly not many. Or even no alternatives.

How on earth can you not get it ??
Israel have been slaughtering Children in Gaza long before Hamas took hostages - they have ALWAYS killed innocent civilians and children and will ALWAYS continue to do so. Hostages are a irrelevant distraction for thick people to give Israel some justification for the Genocide they are committing. If you really believe Hamas releasing all the hostages will stop the killings you are a complete fool.

 

[Vic]

They are an independent nation state just like any other in the world today.
If anyone thinks Israel does not have the right to exist, then expect them to fight back for their survival.
And when they fight back, don't cry or complain about the methods used in the battle.
There's a reason why many countries in the Middle East have not been attacked by Israel e.g. Egypt, Jordan, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Oman etc. These countries have not attacked Israel.
So I say to you and others who ask such question - leave the Jews alone in their land and your land will have peace.

What are the boundaries of "their land"?

 

[The blue phantom]

Yes, very simple…
The settlers will just leave willingly — hahaha.
And then into the territory will come terrorists who aren’t even really interested in the West Bank.
Listen to the message: “From the river to the sea” —
not that they even know which river and which sea.
Stop talking like it’s all so simple.
You have absolutely no idea.
Clown

So let me get this right. You don't want the Settlers who've stole this land by violence and murder to give it back to the Palestinians because you're afraid they might commit a terriost attack?

Even Ben gvir and Smotrich would be proud of you.

 

[Vic]

No Israeli truly wants to conquer Gaza, and if we play along with the fantasy you’re suggesting — that they would release the hostages (which won’t happen) —
then a cleared buffer zone in the northern Gaza Strip that separates Israel from the civilians who wish to stay, and honestly, I’d be thrilled if they went and built a Monaco there.
Thousands of tourists could come. This could have already become a reality if the billions sent to Gaza had been invested in education and infrastructure instead of death tunnels and terror.
Hamas are destined for death, being a terror organization.
The Palestinian people — that’s a sad story of neighbors who once lived peacefully with us and were taken hostage by a terror group.

Good grief. Palestinians (Muslims, Christians and Jews) lived peacefully - until Zionists said "we're going to colonise Palestine".

Do you really not know the history of Israel?

 

[Vic]

Your post is very reasonable. But this is will be ignored by the Pro Palestinian people.
it's like anything short of the complete destruction of the Jews will never be acceptable to these people.
Which is why I stated earlier that they do not care about the plight of the Palestinians. They just want to see the Jews destroyed.

Oh, no, they're talking to each other now.

 

[Vic]

Yes, very simple…
The settlers will just leave willingly — hahaha.
And then into the territory will come terrorists who aren’t even really interested in the West Bank.
Listen to the message: “From the river to the sea” —
not that they even know which river and which sea.
Stop talking like it’s all so simple.
You have absolutely no idea.
Clown

Why are you quoting Likud's policy? "From the river to the sea there will only be Israeli sovereignty."

That means from the Jordan to the Med but I wonder if you're one of those Zionists whose territorial ambitions are not at an end with that.

 

[Pelegrinni]

This question can go to all the Pro Israli folk on here. It's something they always conveniently seem to dodge.

During the same period of the Israeli/Arab 1948 war and the displacements that followed, there were similar displacements across the world. For example, we had the Pakistan and India mass displacement. Jews were displaced from many countries in the Middle East. Polish and German displacements also happened.
All these countries and peoples have moved on with their lives.

The Palestinians should make the best of the territory they have now in Gaza and the West Bank. Dreaming of going back to a land you left (willingly or forcefully) in 1948 is not going to happen. Anyone who pushes for this is not a friend of the Palestinians but is just using them to attack Israel.

 

[Pelegrinni]

I note that you insist on calling it a 'war' and ignore all my other points. Tricky I know when you've painted yourself into a corner.

But it's quite simple really. Instead of bombing everyone and everything that moves in Gaza, Netanyahu literally unconditionally stops and THEN negotiates the release of the hostages.

The idea that Netanyahu will stop his bloody genocide is highly unlikely. He seems to have a taste for it now and is no doubt buoyed by the fact that The West hasn't tried to restrain him.

Incidentally, no one mentioned anything about either Jews or blaming the Jews, except for YOU.

However, I have blamed, I am blaming and will continue to blame Netanyahu, and I look forward to him being brought to justice at The Hague in good time.

It is a war between two states.
Gaza is a sovereign territory since 2005 and is not under Israeli jurisdiction.
Hamas should have considered their military capabilities before launching the Al Aqsa Flood on October 7.
Netanyahu has been really mild with how he has conducted the war so far. If this was any other country, especially an Arab country, Gaza would have lost more than half a million people after the horrors of October 7.

 

[TinFoilHat]