Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)

Nightmare Walking said:
It's easy for me to say this, sat on my sofa in Somerset. But, would it have not been more prudent for Iran to have turned the other cheek and continued negotiations with the Americans?
I can't understand how calling off the talks and retaliating actually benefits the Iranians.
Unless the Iranians had absolutely no intention of ceasing nuclear activities and were just going to string the Americans along, their response makes absolutely no sense.
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They (US and Iran) were in talks about nuclear agreement then under Obama. And the Trump took office and then literally cut the agreement.



Many of their government against the deal being cut projected that nuclear will be accelerated and there will be conflicts. This was in 2018

And here the situation is now:
Enriched uranium up to 60% and conflict between Israel and Iran, premeditated strikes by the non-NPT Israel by the way.

Time will tell the outcome in Geneva between UK, France, German and Iran.
 
This video from 2018 and many other synopses video explain it in a nutshell of why Iran enriched uranium. More because there is no agreement.



Also explains who was that person that persuaded Trump then, and persuading Trump now.
 
bluethrunthru said:
are there many civilians left? Tens of thousands of dual passport holders have gone back to the States, to Poland and to Cyprus to name but a few - oddly in most of the interviews I have seen they say they are going "home" - I thought Israel was their home - the one God chose for them?
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I know the last bit is being sarcastic but it raises something similar I have wondered about. Trumps bluster to relocate the Gazans in other ME countries (complete shite I know) led to calls that Gaza is the Palestinians homeland (something I agree with) however, the Gazans have been accorded refugee status for decades, this has allowed Hamas to hand over responsibility for the ordinary citizens of Gaza to the UN to fend for whilst they built a murder network. If Palestinians in Gaza are refugees where is home? Serious question.
 
Norbert D said:
I know the last bit is being sarcastic but it raises something similar I have wondered about. Trumps bluster to relocate the Gazans in other ME countries (complete shite I know) led to calls that Gaza is the Palestinians homeland (something I agree with) however, the Gazans have been accorded refugee status for decades, this has allowed Hamas to hand over responsibility for the ordinary citizens of Gaza to the UN to fend for whilst they built a murder network. If Palestinians in Gaza are refugees where is home? Serious question.
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Palestine. The illegal settlers should leave and restore the stolen land to its original owners - Palestinians. Even the UN agrees with me and has made resolutions that Israel ignores and the world just stands by
 
bluethrunthru said:
Palestine. The illegal settlers should leave and restore the stolen land to its original owners - Palestinians. Even the UN agrees with me and has made resolutions that Israel ignores and the world just stands by
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So “from the river to the sea”? You didn’t answer my question about Gaza. The West Bank Israeli settlements are illegal, but you didn’t stipulate that.
 
Another 26 shot dead today trying to obtain the meager food aid Israel (and the USA) are allowing in today. A daily occurence. It's almost like they are trying to make it too dangerous to obtain food in order to engineer a famine with the excuse of oh well we tried but, you know - hamas
 
The Daily Mail went along with Hitler for quite a while so the fact the BBC don't want to out war crimes is not without precedent.

I hope the world is able to have a Nuremberg type trial when this is all over.
 
bluethrunthru said:
The BBC



Also the BBC

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The BBC haven’t stopped reporting and showing the atrocities in Gaza practically every night on main news for months now, it’s often the main story and shows constantly the horrific scenes out there.

Few hours ago -
www.bbc.co.uk

Israeli military kills 23 Palestinians near aid site in Gaza, witnesses and medics say - BBC News

The Hamas-run health ministry says more than 400 Palestinians have been killed in this way since late May.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
 
No ambiguity left to exploit. Flat contradiction now.

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‘She’s Wrong’: Trump Directly Rebukes Tulsi Gabbard Amid Reports She’s on the Outs

President Donald Trump directly rebuked Tulsi Gabbard, his own director of national intelligence, during a Q&A with reporters on Friday afternoon
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“What intelligence do you have that Iran is building a nuclear weapon? Your intelligence community has said they have no evidence that they are at this point,” followed up Hillyard.

“Well, then my intelligence community is wrong. Who in the intelligence community said that?” shot back Trump.

“Your director of national intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard,” observed the reporter.

“She’s wrong,” replied Trump matter-of-factly.

Donny Two Dolls has yet to explain the source for his intelligence. Is it Israel? MI6? The U.N.? If POTUS is saying this, and the DNI is saying that, unless she is intentionally mischaracterizing the intelligence she has seen / suppressing evidence, then a decent chunk of our intelligence apparatus (and not just the human) isn't fit for purpose apparently. Who is feeding Trump intel?
 
robbieh said:
The Daily Mail went along with Hitler for quite a while so the fact the BBC don't want to out war crimes is not without precedent.

I hope the world is able to have a Nuremberg type trial when this is all over.
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I'd rather they were just shot dead on the spot and dumped in a landfill. None of these evil cunts deserve a trial.
 
Username Required said:
No ambiguity left to exploit. Flat contradiction now.

www.mediaite.com

‘She’s Wrong’: Trump Directly Rebukes Tulsi Gabbard Amid Reports She’s on the Outs

President Donald Trump directly rebuked Tulsi Gabbard, his own director of national intelligence, during a Q&A with reporters on Friday afternoon
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“What intelligence do you have that Iran is building a nuclear weapon? Your intelligence community has said they have no evidence that they are at this point,” followed up Hillyard.

“Well, then my intelligence community is wrong. Who in the intelligence community said that?” shot back Trump.

“Your director of national intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard,” observed the reporter.

“She’s wrong,” replied Trump matter-of-factly.

Donny Two Dolls has yet to explain the source for his intelligence. Is it Israel? MI6? The U.N.? If POTUS is saying this, and the DNI is saying that, unless she is intentionally mischaracterizing the intelligence she has seen / suppressing evidence, then a decent chunk of our intelligence apparatus (and not just the human) isn't fit for purpose apparently. Who is feeding Trump intel?
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Let's hope these contradictions continue. The more he's undermined by his inner circle, the less chance there is of him dragging us into WW3. Needs to be more vociferous objections from the rest of his administration.

Although in my opinion, for what it's worth, this latest tit-for-tat with Iran is a game to deflect from the atrocities happening in Palestine. It's not as though the Iran Developing Nukes card hasn't been played before. Boy who cried wolf springs to mind.
 
Blue and true said:
Let's hope these contradictions continue. The more he's undermined by his inner circle, the less chance there is of him dragging us into WW3. Needs to be more vociferous objections from the rest of his administration.

Although in my opinion, for what it's worth, this latest tit-for-tat with Iran is a game to deflect from the atrocities happening in Palestine. It's not as though the Iran Developing Nukes card hasn't been played before. Boy who cried wolf springs to mind.
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I'm still waiting for evidence about Obamas birth certificate and the 2020 election. He's got to tell us where he's getting his evidence from. Fox News, Mark Levin, AIPAC and Laura Loomer are not acceptable sources.
 
Username Required said:
No ambiguity left to exploit. Flat contradiction now.

www.mediaite.com

‘She’s Wrong’: Trump Directly Rebukes Tulsi Gabbard Amid Reports She’s on the Outs

President Donald Trump directly rebuked Tulsi Gabbard, his own director of national intelligence, during a Q&A with reporters on Friday afternoon
www.mediaite.com www.mediaite.com

“What intelligence do you have that Iran is building a nuclear weapon? Your intelligence community has said they have no evidence that they are at this point,” followed up Hillyard.

“Well, then my intelligence community is wrong. Who in the intelligence community said that?” shot back Trump.

“Your director of national intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard,” observed the reporter.

“She’s wrong,” replied Trump matter-of-factly.

Donny Two Dolls has yet to explain the source for his intelligence. Is it Israel? MI6? The U.N.? If POTUS is saying this, and the DNI is saying that, unless she is intentionally mischaracterizing the intelligence she has seen / suppressing evidence, then a decent chunk of our intelligence apparatus (and not just the human) isn't fit for purpose apparently. Who is feeding Trump intel?
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God knows what to make of this
 
Palestine Action to be declared a terrorist organisation for throwing paint?

Time was, you could get a jury to acquit someone of criminal damage in order to prevent a greater evil (like bombing non combatants). The Tories chipped away at such defences.

Is Labour really going down the looking-silly road of calling it terrorism to take action for which it would be hard to get a jury to convict?

Put it another way, are we just supposed to let genocide happen?
 
Vic said:
Palestine Action to be declared a terrorist organisation for throwing paint?

Time was, you could get a jury to acquit someone of criminal damage in order to prevent a greater evil (like bombing non combatants). The Tories chipped away at such defences.

Is Labour really going down the looking-silly road of calling it terrorism to take action for which it would be hard to get a jury to convict?

Put it another way, are we just supposed to let genocide happen?
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No for damaging military planes and trespassing.
Therefore reducing defensive capabilities of the country we live in.
 
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