You've lost the plot. Can you cite anyone for that nonsense?
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Middle East Conflict
- Thread starter The blue phantom
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And Obama doing a deal so Iran didn't develop nuclear weapons....
The only reason why Iran has not gone further to achieve its goals is because the west has seriously hampered its ability to do so. Iran almost certainly would have acquired nuclear weapons several years ago had it not been for western sanctions and the probable military actions of Mossad.
Unless Israel can kill/conquer all their bad neighbors then their current coarse of action will never bring security and probably for the Middle East as a whole.
I’ve said this months ago, but the problem with this conflict in general, and why it’s unsolvable is that it became far too comfortable for 1 side and gone past intolerable for the other.
Since Iron Dome came in, on average 1-2 people in Israel die a year from this conflict vs 500+ for Palestine. Israel has a booming economy and global position while Palestinians starve and the state goes unrecognised.
So we have a conflict where 1 side faces devastating losses constantly and is kept in a perpetual state of crisis by restrictions imposed by Israel, while the other is able to prosper and grow and expand its territories into the other unchecked.
In that situation we’re never going to get people sitting around the table because Israel has no motivation to concede anything. The best case scenario for Israel is not a 2 state solution, it’s keeping the status quo up for another 25 years at which point Gaza will be dead and the West Bank will be an Israeli settlement.
And then on the other side we have a people that have been oppressed for so long that they have nothing left to concede or save in a peace deal. When a losing side sues for peace it’s because they’re trying to preserve their way of life after the war, but there is no way of life for Gazans, nothing to save, and therefore no reason to seek peace.
And Obama doing a deal so Iran didn't develop nuclear weapons.
Aka the deal that Israel threatened to bomb Iran over if the USA resurrected it post-Trump.
Because nothing says “we want peace” like threatening to bomb a country for signing a treaty with your biggest Ally.
Think you'll find the majority of pogroms took place under the Tsarist regime rather than during the soviet era.There are 15.7 million Jews in the world, 0.2% of the 8 billion world population. In the last century they have been massacred and murdered by the far left in Russia, massacred and murdered by the far right in Europe, massacred and murdered by extreme Islamists in the middle East. If what is being said by Jews then they are not safe in London! I think, not surprisingly, that the Jews decided that if no one in the world wants them then perhaps they need to find some land and look after themselves. Now it seems that many want to hound them out of Israel! Where the fuck can they live without the far left, the far right or the maddest part of Islam objecting?
I’ve said this months ago, but the problem with this conflict in general, and why it’s unsolvable is that it became far too comfortable for 1 side and gone past intolerable for the other.
Since Iron Dome came in, on average 1-2 people in Israel die a year from this conflict vs 500+ for Palestine. Israel has a booming economy and global position while Palestinians starve and the state goes unrecognised.
So we have a conflict where 1 side faces devastating losses constantly and is kept in a perpetual state of crisis by restrictions imposed by Israel, while the other is able to prosper and grow and expand its territories into the other unchecked.
In that situation we’re never going to get people sitting around the table because Israel has no motivation to concede anything. The best case scenario for Israel is not a 2 state solution, it’s keeping the status quo up for another 25 years at which point Gaza will be dead and the West Bank will be an Israeli settlement.
And then on the other side we have a people that have been oppressed for so long that they have nothing left to concede or save in a peace deal. When a losing side sues for peace it’s because they’re trying to preserve their way of life after the war, but there is no way of life for Gazans, nothing to save, and therefore no reason to seek peace.
Have you thought about becoming a politician? We could do worse than your clarity….
Oh, I think most Gazans would rather have had their "pax Israeli" life pre-October 7th to what's happened since. I can also understand the "cheering" in Gaza for October 7th (whether or not those cheering understood what Hamas were actually perpetrating). Even if people supported those atrocities (as a response to 75 years of Israeli slow atrocity), I can't see much moral distinction between them and Israelis on the border stopping aid so babies die.I’ve said this months ago, but the problem with this conflict in general, and why it’s unsolvable is that it became far too comfortable for 1 side and gone past intolerable for the other.
Since Iron Dome came in, on average 1-2 people in Israel die a year from this conflict vs 500+ for Palestine. Israel has a booming economy and global position while Palestinians starve and the state goes unrecognised.
So we have a conflict where 1 side faces devastating losses constantly and is kept in a perpetual state of crisis by restrictions imposed by Israel, while the other is able to prosper and grow and expand its territories into the other unchecked.
In that situation we’re never going to get people sitting around the table because Israel has no motivation to concede anything. The best case scenario for Israel is not a 2 state solution, it’s keeping the status quo up for another 25 years at which point Gaza will be dead and the West Bank will be an Israeli settlement.
And then on the other side we have a people that have been oppressed for so long that they have nothing left to concede or save in a peace deal. When a losing side sues for peace it’s because they’re trying to preserve their way of life after the war, but there is no way of life for Gazans, nothing to save, and therefore no reason to seek peace.
There is an existential threat to Israel. It's because what they're doing now is just making people aware of what they've been doing for a long time. The rapid demise of evangelical fundamentalism in the USA is one specific threat, with its odd support for the Jewish State based on the prophecy that "in the last days" the Jews will become Christians. (Holy Land tourists getting abused by right wing Zionists for going near Temple Mount may accelerate that.) But voices to that effect in Israel, looking to Israel's long-term interest, are marginalised.