Middle East Conflict

Hammas have less care for the poor innocent lives that will be lost than the Isrealis do . I'd have thought those who quite rightly are appalled at the actions Isreal will take , give Hammas a free ride just because it doesnt suit their agenda

No one’s giving Hamas a free ride.

We just think killing thousands of innocent civilians, half of which are children, is a completely inhumane and ineffective way of seeking revenge for a thousand innocent civilians being killed on the other side of the border.

There’s three sides in this conflict. Netanyahus government, Hamas, and the civilians.

Being opposed to the Israeli governments actions doesn’t make you a supporter of Hamas no matter how hard you and a few others try to pretend it does.
 
No they shouldnt be using it.
- I'm just asking why the big who-ha about Isreal using some and the complete silence from the human rights brigade about Russia using truck loads of the stuff mostly every day for a huge proportion of the 597 days of the war so far?
When Russia does, we're happy to sanction them and exclude them from the international community. There's a double standard for Israel. In my mind - this is the first step towards peace. We can't keep on appeasing a bully. I blame Israel, but to be honest, I blame the US too who have helped create this mess (at least in post-modern times).
 
Israel has one of the most sophisticated intelligence networks in the world.

There are ways of finding out.

Some killers will slip through the net, of course. But once they leave they won't be able to come back and their usefulness to jihad will be minimal.

Identified butchers don't need to be given safe passage.
Do you want to expand upon your argument that ‘Rishi owes Israel’?

And in fact how Corbyn’s failure to act on Anti-semitism contributed to the decision for the UK to make a token offer of logistical assistance to Israel?

Or detail the Jewish lobbyists you mention, and what they have to do with Israel?
A lot of evidence was shared at the time showing that Labour central office threw a general election. We might have had years of Corbyn’s in Government or the Tories might have still won.

Yes it’s a stain on Corbyn’s record that he didn’t do more to tackle allegation of anti-semitism
 
Hamas is 30-40,000 fighters and maybe 2x that in hangers on in a population of 2.4million.

They are such a tiny minority that if you offered the people of Gaza a choice between Hamas and freedom, secure boundaries, hospitals, food, power etc then there’s only one winner and it’s not Hamas, they’d be a tiny minority overnight and all but gone in a few years.

You have to offer people an alternative if you want them to abandon someone - after all that’s how Israel got rid of the PLO.

Remember the median age in Gaza is 18. The last election in Gaza was 17 years ago.


I see what you're saying, what would be the best way to implement this solution? Would it start with a door to door rooting out of Hamas?

Most people would agree with your solution if they had any humanity.
 
No one’s giving Hamas a free ride.

We just think killing thousands of innocent civilians, half of which are children, is a completely inhumane and ineffective way of seeking revenge for a thousand innocent civilians being killed on the other side of the border.

There’s three sides in this conflict. Netanyahus government, Hamas, and the civilians.

Being opposed to the Israeli governments actions doesn’t make you a supporter of Hamas no matter how hard you and a few others try to pretend it does.
Your able to be vociferous in your condemnation of both.. if it existed
 
Do you want to expand upon your argument that ‘Rishi owes Israel’?

And in fact how Corbyn’s failure to act on Anti-semitism contributed to the decision for the UK to make a token offer of logistical assistance to Israel?

Or detail the Jewish lobbyists you mention, and what they have to do with Israel?
I suggest you watch this -
 
And I have, as has pretty much everyone in the thread.
You have slightly more than some in the main its been I think hammas are cunts, rights thata all I have to say about it back to Isreal bashing .
I dont want the loss of innocent Palestian lives as much as the next person , but when Hammas did this, they knew the response. You knew the response we all knew the response.
And then to tell those civilians don't more its all propaganda stay around and be our shield, knowing what the inevitable is shows that they don't give a flying fuck
 

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