Middle East Conflict

Eebo said:
I appreciate the reply, and I accept that Ukraine didn't commit an act of terror on Russia, but I am not sure how that is really relevant to my point. If Hamas killing 2,000 innocent Israeli civilians is an act of terror then so must be the IDF killing 5,000+ Palestinian civilians. The longer it goes on the more it looks like an act of vengeance exacted on every man woman and child in Gaza, and the less it resembles a military operation to take out the guilty party

If it is justified in your view, then where are the limits to how far they can go? Why should they not bomb every building in Gaza and kill every single person in there just in case they are a member of Hamas?

The 'human shield 'argument may seem plausible at first glance, but it is not when you think about it.

The civilians in Gaza live there because Israel restricts them to that area. Hamas have not moved them there or forced them to be there, that is where they live. Israel told civilians to move to the South of Gaza, and are now bombing there as well, so I don't understand how they can possibly be being used as human shields by Hamas

Hamas may live among them as a part of the same community but that is a completely different thing. The IRA lived among the Catholic communities in Northern Ireland in exactly the same way. Based on your logic the British Government would have been justified in asking the RAF to carpet bomb the Republican leaning parts of Derry and Belfast for weeks and weeks in order to avenge an IRA attack!
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Nobody is saying that Israel bombing the shit out of civilians is right because it isn't.

I am questioning the analogy, Ukraine being completely different in as much they did nothing to bring it on.
 
mexico1970 said:
They will be back to writing shit reports about shit things any day soon. Whatever you think they are doing now, the things they don't do stand out a mile.

The UN has a building in Gaza and is embedded within Gaza even running schools which people are sheltering in, judging by the death rate they are offering little to no protection.



Not *600,000 where are you getting your figures ? and apart from allowing the refugees access to schools how are the UN protecting them?
www.bbc.co.uk

BBC World Service - Newshour, Swiss prosecutor quits "useless" UN Syria Commission

Prosecutor Carla Del Ponte resigns from UN Syria Commission after 5 years
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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You may want to revise some of this. Blaming the UN for being bombed?
 
mexico1970 said:
I dragged the stats off their website, they are supposed to be stopping this all they have done is nothing. You'd have though going by what you posted that they shipped loads of people in.

Opening the doors to buildings the Israelis are bombing isn't protecting them, and a lot of the UN there are actually Palestinian where were they going to go anyway?

The USA with their veto makes the UN useless specially in this case.
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Are we really supporting Israel's bombing of UN facilities including schools?

You're right about "where were they going to go anyway?". To the south as told to by Israel where they were bombed anyway....
 
Vic said:
Are we really supporting Israel's bombing of UN facilities including schools?

You're right about "where were they going to go anyway?". To the south as told to by Israel where they were bombed anyway....
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I have never supported bombing civilians ever, my point was and is that the UN are next to useless other than spending money making useless studies.

Without the power of veto it could have been oh so different.
 
mexico1970 said:
I have never supported bombing civilians ever, my point was and is that the UN are next to useless other than spending money making useless studies.

Without the power of veto it could have been oh so different.
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That's why I thought you might want to revise what you wrote.

"judging by the death rate they are offering little to no protection" sounds rather like the UN's not being able to protect people is the UN's fault.
 
Vic said:
That's why I thought you might want to revise what you wrote.

"judging by the death rate they are offering little to no protection" sounds rather like not being able to protect people is the UN"s fault.
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My answer is in reference to someone suggesting that they were doing anything, if the UN got rid of the veto system they could do a lot more to save civilians.

The rogues gallery.

  • China.
  • France.
  • Russian Federation.
  • United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
  • United States of America.
 
mexico1970 said:
Nobody is saying that Israel bombing the shit out of civilians is right because it isn't.

I am questioning the analogy, Ukraine being completely different in as much they did nothing to bring it on.
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Agreed.

I would love to think that Israel was precision bombing the shit out of just Hamas members, but the evidence of my eyes and the fact that over 500 children have been killed indicates that is simply not the case.

I guess my frustration is that the leader of my country (along with all other Western leaders) is offering full and unquestioning support for Israel's actions while quite rightly condemning Russia's bombing of Ukraine. So now it looks like their response is based on who is doing it and what is politically convenient rather than out of any principles.
 
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