Middle East Conflict

Manchester33 said:
I'm sorry, but the Ukraine reference is way off. The outrage shown towards Russia has been huge and well-documented for well over a year.

This whataboutery is tedious. What Israel's government are doing right now is utterly horrific, and it's not anti-semitic to say so. We all agree Hamas are bastards. Netanyahu and his government are also bastards.
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It is horrific but just saying so misses the point of what do you actually do about it? I don't know how many times I have said it, if Israel stops but Hamas continues then what's next?

The diplomacy route is closed for now because Hamas continues to attack Israel and holds hostages. After what happened on 7th October, why would Israel stop to protect the Palestinians and accept the risk that this decision imposes on Israeli civilians?

I'd hope that a ceasefire would be possible for the sake of Palestinians but Hamas has to agree to it and they won't agree to it which is a fact that some posters don't really care to understand.
 
domalino said:
But you can't actually destroy the group, because the leaders are miles away in safety and even if you wiped out every single member of Hamas tomorrow, someone would simply pick up the banner and carry it on.
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People always say this but it's not true. The goal is to debilitate the organization beyond effective capabilities.

We've seen it done to other similar ideological groups effectively before. The moneybags are in Qatar and you'd target those for assassination too.

But decimating the foot soldiers, the cache of ammunition in Gaza and the built up underground networks around Gaza.

Contrary to popular claims, these groups grow when they attack and win accolades. They shrink when they get pummeled. You can successfully reduce this group into an ineffective terror group. Coz no one likes joining losing groups.

Consideration should be made for paying informants too.
 
If anyone has been to any of the demos supporting Palestine, was there any anti-Hamas sentiment? From what I’ve seen there’s understandably been no shortage of anti-Israel sentiment but Hamas seem to have been given a free pass by the demonstrators. Can anyone tell me I’m wrong?
 
west didsblue said:
If anyone has been to any of the demos supporting Palestine, was there any anti-Hamas sentiment? From what I’ve seen there’s understandably been no shortage of anti-Israel sentiment but Hamas seem to have been given a free pass by the demonstrators. Can anyone tell me I’m wrong?
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How many are protesting against Israel but not clued up on Hamas thinking they are innocent
 
inbetween said:
It is horrific but just saying so misses the point of what do you actually do about it? I don't know how many times I have said it, if Israel stops but Hamas continues then what's next?

The diplomacy route is closed for now because Hamas continues to attack Israel and holds hostages. After what happened on 7th October, why would Israel stop to protect the Palestinians and accept the risk that this decision imposes on Israeli civilians?

I'd hope that a ceasefire would be possible for the sake of Palestinians but Hamas has to agree to it and they won't agree to it which is a fact that some posters don't really care to understand.
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I agree with all of that, but the same question also needs to be asked of the other side: If Israel continues, what next? Because they're clearly not going to be able to cleanly kill everyone in Hamas then install a democratic government they make a just peace with.
 
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